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Why is single payer the only fix? In virtually every other area the more the government is involved the worse things get, why are you so trusting of them with health care?

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Hello again, Steve:

Cause here's the law I would pass. It would only take a page... It would say, the role of government is to PAY the bills when they roll in. That's it. Nothing more. Real simple. That's single payer. There's NOTHING to trust.

excon

With the unelected and unaccountable advisory board setting prices what could possibly go wrong with that plan ?

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With the unelected and unaccountable advisory board setting prices what could possibly go wrong with that plan ?

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Hello again, tom:

I don't know, but I'll bet the Tea Party is on MY side. Do you remember some reporting about the Tea Party having signs saying, "Keep your hands OFF my Medicare"? I do. I think they MEANT it.

70% of the Tea Party don't want cuts to Medicare or Medicaid. Go Tea Party!

excon

Isn't the VA single-payer?

Public libraries work on the same principle, don't they?

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Isn't the VA single-payer?

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Hello again, WG:

Actually, no. The VA is pure socialized medicine. They own all the hospitals and employ all the doctors and nurses. Medicare is single payer. They own NOTHING, and just pay the bills.

excon

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Hello again, WG:

Actually, no. The VA is pure socialized medicine. They own all the hospitals and employ all the doctors and nurses. Medicare is single payer. They own NOTHING, and just pay the bills.

excon

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So how does this work? --

From Wikipedia: According to Princeton University health economist Uwe E. Reinhardt, U.S. Medicare, Medicaid, and State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) represent "forms of 'social insurance' coupled with a largely private health-care delivery system" rather than forms of "socialized medicine." In contrast, he describes the Veterans Administration healthcare system as a pure form of socialized medicine because it is "owned, operated and financed by government."

The Veterans Administration is a single-payer system and provides excellent quality, said Reinhardt. In a peer-reviewed paper published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, researchers of the RAND Corp. reported that the quality of care received by Veterans Administration patients scored significantly higher overall than did comparable metrics for patients currently using U.S. Medicare.

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So how does this work? --

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Hello again, Carol:

I don't know. If you want me to argue with that guy Reinhardt, bring him around.

excon

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I dunno. If you want me to argue with that guy Reinhardt, bring him around.

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There has to be something wrong with the reasoning of anyone whose first name is Uwe. (What was his mother THINKing?? )

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Hello again, tom:

I dunno, but I'll bet the Tea Party is on MY side. Do you remember some reporting about the Tea Party having signs saying, "Keep your hands OFF my Medicare"? I do. I think they MEANT it.

70% of the Tea Party don't want cuts to Medicare or Medicaid. Go Tea Party!

excon

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Nobody wants cuts. But that's what's coming .As you well know ,slashing of discretionary spending will do nothing to solve the entitlement programs long term solvencies or the national debt burden.

The Obots are making political deals with various constituencies to ease their hit . Earlier it was unions ,certain favorable companies,and other private organization the administration decides are worthy of waivers . Today it is certain seniors enrolled in Medicare Advantage .
Obama administration eases pain of Medicare cuts - Yahoo! News

Funny how coverage was good AND affordible back before Al Gore and the Democrats Dreamed up HMO's to... "save"... money... and the costs have never stopped escalating ever since.