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what does that say about your Republican congress, who after all this time, couldn't find $105 BILLION?

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"We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it."

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The lame duck Senate passed it on Christmas Eve after last minute 383 pages of amendments were added to the already 2000+ page bill. They then went further and linked many of the provisions of the bill to the Reconciliaton bill that passed both Houses by simple Democrat majorities .They added automatic funding triggers that went into effect when the President signed to bill into law.

The whole thing is so entangled with other funding unrelated to the bill that the best thing to do is to completely defund any provisions of the bill. That would be at a minimum a $105 billion budget cut .
These clowns are nit-picking over $60 billion cuts and making it sound like it's a big thing . It's silly and Speaker Boner better start coming through on the campaign promises to end Obamacare.

Actually ;I'll go even further . Mr Speaker ;step down now . The Republicans should appoint Mike Pence as majority leader.

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He's talking about who's going to be paying the bills - not who's going to be in your doctors office.

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Now wait a minute, if I recall correctly - and I do - you said there is already someone in the doctor's office with us, the insurance company. So if the federal government becomes the "single-payer" they aren't going to be in the doctor's office with us? Bwa ha ha!!

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If you want to talk about government in the doctors office, what do you think restricting abortion is??

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Protecting life... you don't think the government already protects life elsewhere?

A couple of weeks ago we had massive grass fires because some idiot was using a grinder to cut open a gate to break into someone else's property on a day when the wind was blowing over 50 mph. Dozens of homes were burned to the ground. The authorities ordered an evacuation and wouldn't let anyone back in to their own property and homes. Some homeowners were led away in handcuffs. Were they wrong?

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I'm not sure you know WHO Politifact said was LYING. In fact, he's saying the people who were using the term, "government takeover of health care", are the LIARS. That'd be YOU guys.

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Then tell them dems to quit admitting it's a trojan horse for a government takeover.

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Protecting life...you don't think the government already protects life elsewhere??

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Hello again, Steve:

Uhhhh, no.

After a committee member talked about a program that uses hunters in helicopters to shoot wild swine, Kansas Republican State Representative Virgil Peck, suggested that may be a way to control illegal immigration.

If Peck spies a pregnant illegal running away from his helicopter, he better shoot her in the head, cause you got to save her fetus.

excon

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If Peck spy's a pregnant illegal running away from his helicopter, he better shoot her in the head, cause you gotta save her fetus.

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Ok, you made me laugh. :D

Hello again, Steve:

Hold on to your jodhpurs, fella. Here comes the answer you been waiting for. If we reel in out of control health care costs, we won't have to do any messing around with MY entitlements, or YOUR oil subsidy's... The only way to do that is a single payer system.

Obama's plan is a START - not an END.

excon

I'm all for reeling in health care costs. So far since Obamacare became law they've just gone up and up and up.

Just came across this jewel by Pelosi which tom brought to our attention earlier.

Pelosi's true agenda

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But she made a more subtle point, too. “Think of what it does to the other side, who do not believe in government,” Pelosi said. “This will now be the legitimate political debate in our country. What is the balanced role the government should have in controlling the cost, of expanding the coverage, holding the insurance companies accountable.” In other words, the full measure of this bill isn’t simply the impact it will have on lives in the short- to medium-term. It’s also the impact it will have on politics.
Republicans say they welcome this debate--because, they say, government’s inevitable failure will reinforce their worldview. But the historical record on this is pretty clear: One government makes a promise of something like health benefits, that promise never gets revoked. (This is why Bill Kristol famously advised Republicans to oppose Clintoncare in 1993 and 1994.) And if enacting reform manages to make more ambitious changes possible later on, Pelosi made clear she intends to seize that opportunity: “Now we go from here. We kick open that door and there will be other legislation to follow.”

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Just came across this jewel by Pelosi which tom brought to our attention earlier.

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Hello again, Steve:

Yeah, she wants single payer, just like ALL the Democrats do.. What's the surprise?

excon

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Yeah, she wants single payer, just like ALL the Democrats do.. What's the surprise?

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No surprise here, it's always been intended as a platform for single-payer. That's the whole gist of this thread.

Thirty-two of the thirty-three developed nations have universal health care, with the United States being the lone exception.

List of Countries with Universal Healthcare True Cost – Analyzing our economy, government policy, and society through the lens of cost-benefit
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You'll note that there is a dated comment on that website.

Hello again, Steve:

Then I'm missing something... The only political lie that's been reported here, is the Republicans calling the Health Care Bill, a government takeover... The Democrats NEVER lied about their desire/wish/intention/plan - whatever you want to call it, for single payer.. Now, you can call that a government takeover too, and I'm sure you will, but that would just perpetuate the lie.

What would be MORE akin to a government takeover, would be YOUR desire/wish/intention/plan for the GOVERNMENT to TAKEOVER every uterus in the nation.

excon