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Hello again, fellows:

Left out of ALL of your discussions, is ANY mention of the mother.. But for the mother, your arguments make sense.. Because it was HER rights that were recognized by the Supreme Court, after all. So, you don't mention her by design. Her rights are an "inconvenient truth" you'd rather ignore.

excon

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Hello again, fellows:

Left out of ALL of your discussions, is ANY mention of the mother.. But for the mother, your arguments make sense.. Because it was HER rights that were recognized by the Supreme Court. So, you don't mention her by design. Her rights are an "inconvenient truth" you'd rather ignore.

Personally, I believe the 'mother' has been deceived by the pro-abortionists. You keep forgetting how personal this is with me, ex. My only grandchild isn't because of abortion, and the mother regrets it daily. I have no sympathy for any 'mother' that can abort her child without regret.

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You keep forgetting how personal this is with me, ex.

Hello again, Steve:

I forget NOTHING. Abortion touches all of us.

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I have no sympathy for any 'mother' that can abort her child without regret.

Me too. But, I doubt there's any to be found. I can't imagine that you think there is.

excon

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Hello again, Steve:

I forget NOTHING. Abortion touches all of us.
Me too. But, I doubt there's any to be found. I can't imagine that you think there is.

excon

So we're pushing an industry that leads to regret in every instance. Sounds like an industry with no value.

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So we're pushing an industry that leads to regret in every instance. Sounds like an industry with no value.

Pushing it? I don't think that's what's happening. That "industry" has always been there, but not as visible. And stats say that most young single women tend to keep their babies.

Teen pregnancies are supposed to be down now, but if you read some of the boards on this site, you wouldn't believe that.

The real "industry" should be teaching kids that sex before marriage, or at least a stable relationship, is not a good idea biologically, morally, socially, psychologically, financially, etc. -- not a good idea at all.

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So we're pushing an industry that leads to regret in every instance. Sounds like an industry with no value.

Hello again, Steve:

Indeed, Steve. There are NO winners in abortion - only losers..

But, we're not "pushing an industry" any more than throwing out trash "pushes" the garbage industry, or outlawing pot "pushes" the prison industry... The thought that we PUSH abortion, rather than allow it, or that women get them with NO regrets is macabre. You still seem to harbor those notions... It's bizarre stuff.

I don't know where you where, but if you recall, before Roe, there were regrets... It wasn't all leave it to beaver, like you'd have us believe... In fact, that's why the law was changed - BECAUSE there were regrets.. Since there are only losers in abortion, we decided the law based on who loses the least. I don't know if we came down on the right side.

What I DO know, is that if I ignored HALF the issue, like you do, I could be as CERTAIN, and self righteous as you are.. But, I'm not.

excon

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Indeed, Steve. There are NO winners in abortion - only losers..

So why would anyone back a losing proposition when there can be winners?

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The thought that we PUSH abortion, rather than allow it, or that women get them with NO regrets is macabre. You still seem to harbor those notions... It's bizarre stuff.

I find it macabre that abortionists would "bend the rules" to provide abortions to minors without parental consent. I find it macabre that Planned Parenthood would sell gift certificates at Christmas good for any of their services including abortions.

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Since there are only losers in abortion, we decided the law based on who loses the least. I don't know if we came down on the right side.

I thought it was about "choice" and a "right to privacy," not who loses the least. Here's a thought, if we're going to err, why not err on the side of life?

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What I DO know, is that if I ignored HALF the issue, like you do, I could be as CERTAIN, and self righteous as you are.. But, I'm not.

You know better than to pretend I am unsympathetic or self-righteous, but I am CERTAIN it is a choice between life and death. Aren't you?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

So why would anyone back a losing proposition when there can be winners?

Hello again, Steve:

Ignoring the losers again, won't help your argument with me. I don't know WHY you insist on doing that... Ok, yes I do. If you had empathy for the mother, your stance would go into the trash where it belongs... So, it's easier if you IGNORE her entirely...

Here's another thing that you ignore.. I ain't going to let you get away with it.

excon

That's priceless, Orwellian, but priceless.

My grandchild, dead, and he/she isn't a loser?

My daughter, my best friend's wife - and who knows how many other women in my life suffer in silence - after choosing abortion and my speaking out on their behalf means I have no empathy for the mother? Only in your world, ex. You can repeat that lie all you want and it will still just be a lie.

Hello again, Steve:

Ok, let's end the abortion thing. We ain't going to agree and we don't seem to be able to read each others posts properly...

Let's go back to the incompetent right wing majority in the House.

excon

Or the guy looking for his "Sputnik moment?"

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Surly, the THIRD attempt will be about jobs, no? Let's see.

Hello again:

Nahhh. It's not. Number FOUR is another right wing imperative about campaign finance reform.

Jobs'll just have to wait...

excon

Actually, number ONE was "repeal and replace," not repeal.

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By a vote of 253 to 175, the GOP directed key House committees to report on ways to lower health care premiums, allow patients to keep their current health plans, increase access to coverage for those with pre-existing conditions, and decrease the price of medical liability lawsuits.

You're just trying to control the message, which you credited as the reason they won so handily.

Meanwhile, Democrats' number one priority was filibuster reform, which they failed to accomplish during their '22-day "first day."'

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Actually, number ONE was "repeal and replace," not repeal.

Hello again, Steve:

Well, that's what your right wing rag says... I say it was jobs. Boehner does too... Nonetheless, even if I accept what it said, I'm still waiting for the "replace" part. But, that ain't happening, is it??

excon

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Hello again, Steve:

Well, that's what your right wing rag says... I say it was jobs. Boehner does too... Nonetheless, even if I accept what it said, I'm still waiting for the "replace" part. But, that ain't happening, is it???

excon

It takes time to undo the damage Obamacare inflicted. We're still learning what was in the monstrosity, you think they can fix it overnight?

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you think they can fix it overnight?

Hello again, Steve:

I misunderstood... I thought repealing it, got RID of it altogether. That way, they don't have to FIX anything. They just have to "replace" it with THEIR ideas from scratch. They HAVE had a year or so to think about it, no?

I'm waiting...

excon

I say they begin with the 1st part of repeal and replace.

If anyone thinks the Republicans have not offered alternatives ,they haven't been listening . Congressman Ryan made a number of proposals that more or less sums up the Republican position on health care reform and other issues .
I'll post it again because evidently it hasn't been read .
A Roadmap for America's Future | The Budget Committee Republicans

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Congressman Ryan made a number of proposals that more or less sums up the Republican position on health care reform and other issues

Hello again, tom:

Proposals?? PROPOSALS?? Talk is cheap. Where's the BILL?

excon

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Proposals??? PROPOSALS???? Talk is cheap. Where's the BILL?

Hello again, tom:

Let's cut to the chase.. There isn't going to BE a bill, is there? Oh, the Republicans will come up SOME bill or other slight of hand. But, at the very least, Ryans proposal is to replace Medicare with a voucher system. Whether that's a GOOD idea or not, ISN'T the issue. The issue is WHO will put their political career on the line to actually attempt to write a bill like that? Because it will NEVER be approved by the electorate, and the congressman who tries it, will be toast.

So, the Republicans will DO exactly what the Democrats did - fiddle, while Rome burns.

Buy gold.

excon

The Republicans have bills on the table and have had them on the table since 2009 .
http://rules-republicans.house.gov/M...tive3962_9.pdf

And of course I would not have posted Ryan's plan if it wasn't being introduced as legislation

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