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Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Relax... I didn't accuse "we". You're not responsible for Sharron Angle, other than denying what she's saying... But, that doesn't make you guilty of stirring up anything... It just makes you wrong.
I've been quite clear... If you want to call what I'm saying an attack, it's an attack on any politician who uses GUN PLAY as an oblique suggestion..
excon
Aren't you the one complaining about PC ? If you like I'll rehash the history of vitriolic over the top rhetoric by our politicians that would make today's version appear to be amateurs.Quote:
But, I wonder... Are you saying that unless and until, we can actually FIND the link in this deranged gunman's brain, then it's COOL to call for your opponents assassination?? I think you MIGHT be saying that... Bummer.
When conservatives in Texas put a 'wanted for treason' ad about JFK in circulation prior to his trip to Dallas in 1963 ,did that inspire his assassin ? Of course not . Oswald was a commie infatuated with Castro.
It is a red herring to even suggest the political rhetoric of the day led to this attack.
By the way... Francophones in American leadership in the late 18th century used to have replicas of Guillotines on their office shelves.
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
It WOULD be a red herring IF I suggested that. But, I didn't. Let me say it again... I don't know WHAT inspired this nut... It doesn't matter.. I don't NEED to know. I don't care. My post ISN'T about him. It's about politicians who suggest that you can SHOOT your opponents if you don't agree with them... I'd be saying it, and DID, even IF nobody got shot.
It's about WHAT SHE SAID... She was clear. She was concise... She didn't pretend she was saying something else. YOU, on the other hand, cannot seem to understand what she said... How is it, that you misunderstand her?? What do you think Second Amendment remedies are?? Or, are your political blinders keeping you from seeing what's right in front of you?
This post is a pretty simple proposition. It's about HER, and what she said - NOT HIM. I've said it here about 20 times.. I don't know what's so hard to get.
excon
Relax, ex. I'm not accusing you of attacking me or anyone else. You're really too much of a pu$$y cat to be taken for a threat (geez, can't even say pu$$y cat here without being bleeped).
No, unlike those I AM accusing, I placed the bulls-eye where it belongs, such as those referred to in the links provided.
The right to bear arms is the right to own guns... not to murder . Do you think she was advising her supporters to shoot Harry Reid ? I don't think you do. I don't believe you think the 2nd amendment is a licence to kill either .Quote:
What do you think Second Amendment remedies are??
Do you think this statement by JFK was inciteful ?
Those who make peaceful resolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Wow... Talk about red herrings... This isn't about what I believe, you believe or Steve believes. This is about what Sharron Angle said. This is it:
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"You know, our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government. And in fact Thomas Jefferson said it's good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years.
I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out."
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I don't think she could have been clearer.
excon
You don't believe Angle was inciting her supporters to shoot Reid do you ?
Speaking of Jefferson :
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants,"
Inciteful ?
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Inciting?? I don't know... Giving them permission?? YES.
On another thread, you were looking for some PLAIN ENGLISH. Here's some plain English:
"I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around?"
excon
Angle's remark was not incitement, but a foreshadowing of the possibilities prescribed for in our constitution intentionally. The left just comes right out and calls for the death of their enemies.
With talk like, are they surprised we carry guns?Quote:
■ “I'm waiting for the day when I pick it up, pick up a newspaper or click on the Internet and find out he's choked to death on his own throat fat or a great big wad of saliva or something, you know, whatever. Go away, Rush, you make me sick!” — Left-wing radio host Mike Malloy on the January 4, 2010 Mike Malloy Show, talking about Rush Limbaugh going to the hospital after suffering chest pains.
■ “Rush Limbaugh is beginning to look more and more like Mr. Big, and at some point somebody's going to jam a CO2 pellet into his head and he's going to explode like a giant blimp. That day may come. Not yet, but we'll be there to watch.” — Chris Matthews on MSNBC's Morning Meeting, October 13, 2009.
■ “So, Michele, slit your wrist! Go ahead! [chuckles] I mean, you know, why not? I mean, if you want to — or, you know, do us all a better thing. Move that knife up about two feet. I mean, start right at the collarbone.” — Montel Williams talking about Representative Michele Bachmann on Air America's Montel Across America, September 2, 2009.
■ “He is an enemy of the country, in my opinion, **** Cheney is, he is an enemy of the country... You know, Lord, take him to the Promised Land, will you? See, I don't even wish the guy goes to Hell, I just want to get him the hell out of here.” — Ed Schultz, The Ed Schultz Show, May 11, 2009.
■ Author/humorist P.J. O'Rourke: “It's the twilight of the radio loud-mouth, you know? I knew it from the moment the fat guy-”
Host Bill Maher: “You mean Rush Limbaugh and Sean-”
O'Rourke: “-from the moment the fat guy refused to share his drugs... ” Maher: “You mean the OxyContin that he was on?. Why couldn't he have croaked from it instead of Heath Ledger?” — HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher, February 8, 2008.
■ “I hear about Tony Snow and say to myself, well, stand up every day, lie to the American people at the behest of your dictator-esque boss and well, how could a cancer NOT grow in you. Work for Fox News, spinning the truth in to a billion knots and how can your gut not rot?” — San Francisco radio talk show host Charles Karel Bouley in a March 27, 2007 article at The Huffington Post that was later pulled “at the request of the author.”
■ “I'm just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That's a fact.” — Host Bill Maher on his HBO show Real Time, March 2, 2007, discussing how a few commenters at a left-wing blog were upset that an attempt to kill Vice President Cheney in Afghanistan had failed.
■ “Earlier today, a rental truck carried a half a million ballots from Palm Beach to the Florida Supreme Court there in Tallahassee. CNN had live helicopter coverage from the truck making its way up the Florida highway, and for a few brief moments, America held the hope that O.J. Simpson had murdered Katherine Harris.” — Bill Maher on ABC's Politically Incorrect, November 30, 2000.
■ Host Tina Gulland: “I don't think I have any Jesse Helms defenders here. Nina?” NPR's Nina Totenberg: “Not me. I think he ought to be worried about what's going on in the Good Lord's mind, because if there is retributive justice, he'll get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it.” — Exchange on the July 8, 1995 Inside Washington, after Helms said the government spends too much on AIDS.
■ “I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease... He is an absolutely reprehensible person.” — USA Today columnist and Pacifica Radio talk show host Julianne Malveaux on Justice Clarence Thomas, November 4, 1994 PBS To the Contrary.
P.S. Roy Sekoff said on Ed Schultz' show yesterday, "The energy and the dynamism is really with the Tea Party, but so is all the crazy and the outrage. And that's where the danger lies." This was AFTER the president did the right thing and said political discourse had nothing to with the shooting. The crazy was in the suspect's head, not the Tea Party.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
So, you really think you can defeat the US? Let's pop that right wing fantasy right here.
The idea that your puny guns are somehow going to save the republic is LUDICROUS... Muskets in the hands of citizens, at some time in the past, were equal to the muskets in the hand of government. Ergo, the citizenry COULD have actually impressed their will on the government...
Uhhhh, not any more...
Your guns are for fun, self defense and shooting a politician or two. Sharron Angle said so.
excon
Some guy named David managed with a sling shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Fiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I was going to say, only one opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
This from the same people who say that Afghans and Iraqi insurgents are beating the best army in the world.
They aren't beating them right now, but they'll outlast and outnumber them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Ditto... Wolverines!!
If it is then it's appropriate to discuss it with all this fiction about gun talk and right-wing rhetoric.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
In 1948, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq with a contingent from Saudi Arabia attacked Israel. How'd that work out for them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
By the way... Ex always uses the Heinlein quote about an armed society being a polite one.
Has anyone checked out gun ownership rates per capita in countries like Switzerland ,Finland ,or even Sweden ? There is no big hysteria about banning weapons in those nations ,and gun ownership is big in all 3 . The Swiss issue M-57 assault rifles to all men and require them to undergo military training . When they are discharged they keep their weapons . The government frequently sells surplus weapons to the population.
Political Pundits Surprisingly Good At Getting Inside Mentally Unbalanced Shooter's Head
January 14, 2011
NEW YORK—According to media analysts, the nation's TV commentators and political pundits have proved uncannily accurate when describing the deeply disturbed inner thoughts of accused Arizona gunman Jared Loughner. "It's strange, but when it comes to getting inside the mind of this human being who seems to possess no empathy, sense of morality, or hold on reality, and who is motivated only by personal animus and self-glorification, the nation's major political pundits have been amazingly adept," said Horizon Media analyst Bob Cullen, who has studied extensive tape of commentators on all major TV news programs and found their remarks on "what the killer is thinking" to be consistently thorough and detailed across the board. "It's almost as though they have some way of knowing, firsthand, exactly what this demented and highly dangerous individual with the eyes of millions upon him is going through." Researchers at Horizon Media also reported that a number of prominent TV pundits appeared to be mimicking the same chilling gleam in Loughner's eye for what they could only speculate was "dramatic effect."
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