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Negative liberty doesn't work the same way for people who won't or can't take responsibility for their actions.

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And there is a presumption of a civil society. Other than that there are laws to cover the few. In fact;he broke the law by using his gun to attack other humans.

The only real question here is ;was there a breakdown in the system when he was able to purchase the gun ? This questions links nicely with the OP about mental health.

But to say that millions of responsible gun owners should lose their right to protect themselves is absurd. As has already been pointed out here ;authoritarian systems are good at restricting legal gun ownership.

Why is anyone closing member discussions just for straying off topic a little anyway? Seems silly to me.

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Why is anyone closing member discussions just for straying off topic a little anyway? Seems silly to me.

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I agree with you. It started here: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...-541924-4.html

So the OP strayed off course? That makes a lot of sense.

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Originally Posted by J_9

The term is magazine, not clip. ;)

The amount of rounds a magazine holds varies per firearm. Same with the amount of rounds per extended magazine.

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My point proven... the media has been calling it an 'extended clip' .

The shooter had a fairly long history of mental health issues and drug use yet why was he still able to purchase a firearm? There is one thing I have always wondered but was unsure about, mayble someone here is aware of the law. Suppose someone wants to buy a gun. He passes the background checks, but for some reason, the store owner has a bad feeling about the purchaser. I want to know if he can refuse to sell him a gun based on his gut feeling, or would that be a violation of the buyer's rights? I think that background checks should do a better job revealing mental health issues and it is outrageous that people can buy guns at some gun shows and pawn shops without even a background check.

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Originally Posted by earl237

The shooter had a fairly long history of mental health issues and drug use yet why was he still able to purchase a firearm? There is one thing I have always wondered but was unsure about, mayble someone here is aware of the law. Suppose someone wants to buy a gun. He passes the background checks, but for some reason, the store owner has a bad feeling about the purchaser. I want to know if he can refuse to sell him a gun based on his gut feeling, or would that be a violation of the buyer's rights? I think that background checks should do a better job revealing mental health issues and it is outrageous that people can buy guns at some gun shows and pawn shops without even a background check.

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As far as selling a gun to someone its not any kind of violation not to sell it to them. The background checks vary by state law.

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The shooter had a fairly long history of mental health issues and drug use yet why was he still able to purchase a firearm? There is one thing I have always wondered but was unsure about, mayble someone here is aware of the law. Suppose someone wants to buy a gun. He passes the background checks, but for some reason, the store owner has a bad feeling about the purchaser. I want to know if he can refuse to sell him a gun based on his gut feeling, or would that be a violation of the buyer's rights? I think that background checks should do a better job revealing mental health issues and it is outrageous that people can buy guns at some gun shows and pawn shops without even a background check.

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You are kidding, right? No one conferred a right on anyone to be able to buy a gun from a particular place. No wonder things are so screwed up. When people think they have a right to do anything they think