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Why do you elevate thugs, and murderers to the level of righteous holy warriors? Just because they wrap themselves around their own importance, they are really only the dregs, and mislead thugs, and criminals, led by an American fruitcake.

Not unlike any other band of gangsters who thrive, and flourish among the poor of the world. If there was an actual Jihad, then there would be billions of soldiers, not just the scattered flocks across the world.

Scary as these dudes are, the drug cartels are a lot more scarier. And a lot more vicious.

Yes do nothing about them .That's the answer ! Call off the dogs .Shut down the security screening Let's all go back to 9/10/01 .

What you forget is that it took less than a decade for a small group of ideological thugs and murderers to plunge the world into WWII .

There is nothing rightous in what they do.Nor am I elevating them beyond their stature . But what you see as a criminal enterprise I see as a larger ideological movement that has been with the world in various degrees of intensity since Mohammed walked the earth. It's modern manifestation did not begin with AlQaeda .It began in Egypt with Sayyid Qutb. Nor is jihadistan solely an Al Qaeda enterprise.

I didn't say do NOTHING about them, but you treat them like the thugs they are, round 'em up, and throw them in jail, and throw away the key, so they can not poison, or harm others.

They can rot in jail like the rest of the dangerous criminals in the world. Heck, if they had been doing that all along we would all be better off.

I don't think its helpful to point out Muslim thugs when there are many different ones in the world, like Russian, Brazilian, Columbian, Christian, American,. the list is long, and diverse, and to elevate one over another ignores the bigger problem of dealing with world wide criminals. I mean should I be more worried about the criminals who scare you where you are, or the ones that are here in my part of town?

Maybe we need to stop being scared and get them all where ever they are!!

Evil people go a lot further back than Mohammad my friend, and the middle east is but one place it grows, and festers, every society on earth, through history, has there own terrorists, criminals, and just nasty bad guys to deal with. Ideaology aside, show me the perfect society that has solved the problems that the bad guys represent. Just one will do.

Ideology aside ? The whole point is the ideology .You do understand that the long term goal is not to terrorize for terrorism sake but to achieve a world wide ummah .These guys aren't strapping in homicide vests and becoming martyrs for a criminal enterprise . A campaign to blow up planes is not criminal enterprise .It is war waging and has to be treated as such .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

A campaign to blow up planes is not criminal enterprise .It is war waging and has to be treated as such .

Hello again, tom:

I don't disagree with your premise. The problem is, it hasn't worked.. Wayyyyy back over 10 years ago, I thought we should have waged war in Afghanistan. I was on board. I was a hawk. I wanted to kick those Jihaddists a$$'s...

Then George W. Bush proceeded to LOSE the war. He got distracted by Iraq. Let me say that AGAIN.. George G. Bush LOST the war in Afghanistan. He even told us, "I don't CARE where Ben Laden is". Then he LOST the Iraq war by paying off the enemy and thinking that was going to work.. I've said that from the git go, and now it's becoming OBVIOUS to even the most ardent Bush supporter...

Like the drug war, the only answer the right wing has to our current FAILURE, is to do MORE of what we FAILED at. Clearly, going in over there was WRONG. We should have LEARNED from the Russians. We didn't. Now, we're going to make war on Yemen, in addition to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Somalia. And, that's just the BEGINNING... Lebanon is heating up, and oh, yeah, how are we going to handle Iran? Seems to me IRAN is the ONLY beneficiary to our wars.. It's certainly NOT US. Yup. Even YOU can see the error of our ways... It's a quagmire...

Again, like the drug war, what we've started, we can't win... Maybe taking a CRIMINAL approach would have been better... Certainly it would have saved BILLIONS of $$$'s and countless lives... Did I mention, that we're just BEGINNING?? It's time for something else.

excon

PS> Did I mention that the wave of right wingers coming into office are going to double down on the wars EVEN more?? Those would be the "small government" conservatives...

The war between good, and evil has been raging since people dominated the earth. People have been trying to rule the world forever. This is yet another battle, no matter the ideology that spews from their lying mouths. Ideology is the distraction from the real problem of who, and how we destroy the evil (lust for power, and GREED) in man.

While you fear a terrorist from where ever, you let the dope man set up shop right down the street.

Get 'em all, and let their God figure out their ideology. Don't be distracted! I don't ignore the ideology, just see the real enemy.

Jihadistan is always out there crying for attention so which incident are you referring to the bombs or OBL

Ummm the Drug war has been a law enforcement effort. I bet if the cartel bosses were ducking predator strikes they wouldn't gotten so strong.

Yes we have had some stikes inside Yemen. That doesn't mean we are 'making war on Yemen' . The Yemenis don't want AQ training and plotting there .They don't have the means to prevent it.

Believe it or not, I totally agree. Its all about how countries have the ability to enforce there own laws, and the cartels, like the terrorist flourish where there is no enforcement to stop them in their tracks and make life hell for the rest of us.

Yemen, and Mexico could use some drones to help them with enforcement. Yemen has asked for more help, I wonder when will Mexico, or Pakistan for that matter, or Somalia? I could give a rather long list but weak/corrupt/mom existent governments is the root cause of this mess, and helping them enforce their own laws is the answer.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Believe it or not, I totally agree. Its all about how countries have the ability to enforce there own laws, and the cartels, like the terrorist flourish where there is no enforcement to stop them in their tracks and make life hell for the rest of us.

Yemen, and Mexico could use some drones to help them with enforcement. Yemen has asked for more help, I wonder when will Mexico, or Pakistan for that matter, or Somalia? I could give a rather long list but weak/corrupt/mom existent governments is the root cause of this mess, and helping them enforce their own laws is the answer.

As far as Mexico... corruption is so endemic there I honestly believe they (most of those in authority) don't want the drug problem to go away... the lure of the money is too strong. Yemen? Combine Poverty and brainwashing by Islamic leaders with an agenda like much of the Islamic world are taught to believe the very same people who are decieving them the most.