You mean like the stellar treatment our prisoners got before they were lit on fire, and strung from bridges. Or those that had a slower death trapped on the upper levels of the twin towers knowing they were going to die.

Sorry, but NOTHING that was done to ANY prisoner by us rises to that level. And incidentally... I don't think any of it was torture... nor do I shed a single tear for any of them.

Under the international articles of war... every one of them could legitimately be exicuted as spies as they were NOT wearing a uniform, but dressed in civilian garb to evade detection.

And how anyone... can equate burning a work of fiction, and the Quran IS a work of fiction, praising a pedophile and murderer (mohamed the pig rapist) with anything is beyond comprehension.

Its just a freaking book.

But then... put an American flag over it and the lefties would be in a real big hurry to burn it. If it was related to the Bible and they would be screaming to ban it, but the Quaran and the left jumps up to defend the indefensible.

To the Muslims with their panties in a knot... get a life... respect is earned, and its time they started to earn it. They have done a dismal job so far. In fact its been 1,300 years with no real attempt yet except for maybe a handful of individuals.

Blaming danger to our troops on a freaking book being burned is stupid. Go back to the NUMEROUS terrorist activities by the Islamic Pig brigade since Ronald Regan was in office will show that a book getting burned 30 year AFTER this started has not one thing to do with anything, except them demanding special treatment no other religion gets... and the Left is willing to put Islam on a pedistle while deriding every other religion at the same time.

I'm sorry, I am not Muslim... I will never be muslim, and in fact if Muslims try to impose their freaking religion or Sharia on me I will be one of millions that will take up arms against them to prevent it.

Burn, baby, Burn!

Exie, NBC news just translated the concerns of one of the Afghan protesters. He said, "we call on America to stop desecrating our holy Koran."

Where did he get the idea, from one tiny insignificant 'church', that America is desecrating his holy Koran? I'm not desecrating his Koran, you're not desecrating his Koran, tom isn't desecrating his Koran, America has no policy of desecrating the Koran and I'm sure the vast majority of Americans - including conservatives, Christians, Republicans, etc. - don't endorse this church's plan.

So how did all of America become indicted for desecrating his Koran? I say it's the same way we allegedly indict "all of Islam," you guys make this stuff up. I've never done one thing to give that indication to anyone for either, but I'm apparently guilty of both injustices because you say so. I submit that IF our troops face any problems for this then YOU are to blame for propagating the myth instead of standing up for the truth of the matter.

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Exie, NBC news just translated the concerns of one of the Afghan protesters. He said, "we call on America to stop desecrating our holy Koran."

Where did he get the idea, from one tiny insignificant 'church', that America is desecrating his holy Koran? I'm not desecrating his Koran, you're not desecrating his Koran, tom isn't desecrating his Koran, America has no policy of desecrating the Koran and I'm sure the vast majority of Americans - including conservatives, Christians, Republicans, etc. - don't endorse this church's plan.

So how did all of America become indicted for desecrating his Koran? I say it's the same way we allegedly indict "all of Islam," you guys make this stuff up. I've never done one thing to give that indication to anyone for either, but I'm apparently guilty of both injustices because you say so. I submit that IF our troops face any problems for this then YOU are to blame for propagating the myth instead of standing up for the truth of the matter.

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There you have it, one lone voice, and panic. You cannot convince Muslims that what one group do isn't representative of your country, after all, their mentality is one in all in.

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So how did all of America become indicted for desecrating his Koran? I say it's the same way we allegedly indict "all of Islam,"

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Hello again, Steve:

The Arab world, as a whole, has NO concept of our First Amendment. When they see coverage of a Koran burning church, they think we ALL believe that. After all, their government can stop stuff like that. They assume ours can too.

I agree with you, though. When we see a small group of radical Muslims burning a flag and shouting death to America, we think they ALL believe that.

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I am just wondering why the activities of an insignificant kook minister with a congregation of 50 is garnering international attention .
I think there is incitement here all right .Incitement that is being stoked by the press.

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Hello again, Steve:

The Arab world, as a whole, has NO concept of our First Amendment. When they see coverage of a Koran burning church, they think we ALL believe that. After all, their government can stop stuff like that. They assume ours can too.

I agree with you, though. When we see a small group of radical Muslims burning a flag and shouting death to America, we think they ALL believe that.

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Actually you have this wrong. Their government can't stop it from happening. But in their country the penalty would be death. That is where the break occurs. In this country they won't be put to death. They might with the threats that are coming their way. Maybe it might make the radicals mad enough they will ban together and put on a uniform and start fighting.

I think not.

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The Arab world, as a whole, has NO concept of our First Amendment. When they see coverage of a Koran burning church, they think we ALL believe that. After all, their government can stop stuff like that. They assume ours can too.

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Then stop giving them the coverage.

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I agree with you, though. When we see a small group of radical Muslims burning a flag and shouting death to America, we think they ALL believe that.

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What is this "we?" You just validated my point, I'm not the one saying they all believe that, you are. I was kind enough to tell the world that you aren't desecrating the Koran, but you failed to acknowledge that I and the rest of America aren't desecrating it either. The compliant media is aiding and abetting you in spreading the myth and stoking the fire. Any blood that comes of this is on your hands, not mine.

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Funny how when it's the Mafia that says to a business owner... we can't guarantee the safety of your shop unless you do what we say and buy insurance... its extortion and threats. And a violation if RICO laws

When its Muslims that say, do as we tell you by A: not exercising your constitutional right to burn a book, or B: let us build our Mohammet Attah memorial mosque 2 blocks from ground zero ----- or we can't guarantee you the safety of Americans anywhere. To the left that isn't extortion or threats, but something they are entitled to because they are a special. Islam makes the Mafia look like two bit hoods when it comes to threats, intimdation, murder and a multitude of crimes against humanity.

Hello again,

Daniel Pipes, a right wing Islamist hater of the first order, has this to say:

"The energetic push-back of recent months finds me partially elated: Those who reject Islamism and all its works now constitute a majority and are on the march. For the first time in fifteen years, I feel I may be on the winning team.

But I have one concern: the team's increasing anti-Islamic tone. Misled by the Islamists' insistence that there can be no such thing as “moderate Islam,” my allies often fail to distinguish between Islam (a faith) and Islamism (a radical utopian ideology aiming to implement Islamic laws in their totality). This amounts to not just an intellectual error but a policy dead end. Targeting all Muslims is contrary to basic Western notions, lumps friends with foes, and ignores the inescapable fact that Muslims alone can offer an antidote to Islamism."

I may be dreaming it up, but PIPES??

excon

Islam has as much to do with terrorists, and extremist, as the KKK had to do with Christianity.

Spreading hate, lies, and ignorance and fear is against Islam, and Christianity, and is accepted by both (as well as other religions) as the works of the devil, the lesser god. Men have a choice in their actions, and only can hold themselves responsible for it.

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Islam has as much to do with terrorists, and extremist, as the KKK had to do with Christianity.

Spreading hate, lies, and ignorance and fear is against Islam, and Christianity, and is accepted by both (as well as other religions) as the works of the devil, the lesser god. Men have a choice in their actions, and only can hold themselves responsible for it.

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Poor comparison... there are far more Islamic radicals than there ever were KKK members.

Page 4 of the following document gives numbers...

http://pewglobal.org/files/pdf/253.pdf

Factor in the NUMBER of Muslims then these percentages show to be at a minimum hundreds of millions in support of terrorism since they claim 1.5 billion whoreshipers. And it does vary greatly country by country.

Major Religions Ranked by Size

Even at their Peak the KKK had HOW many members? And no wikipedia numbers.

Islam isn't simply a religion... its a mistake to think it is. Its an all encompassing method of subjugation of the population. The religion itself is not the worst part of Islam.

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I on the other hand have made that distinction clear for almost a decade. That is why I call the enemy 'jihadistan' to separate the political from the faith.

The real question that has to be asked is how many Muslims are adherents to the radical political brand?. and are Mosques in this country being used to recruit jihadists ?
Unfortunately ,much of the recruitment to the jihad occures in the Mosques and madrassas . It is therefore imperitive that we do not allow the houses of worship in this country to be used as places of recruitment . I'm sure you would agree that preventing that does not violate any 1st amendment concerns.

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The real question that has to be asked is how many Muslims are adherents to the radical political brand ? ...and are Mosques in this country being used to recruit jihadists ?

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Hello again, tom:

It's a good question. I too, have one. Which came first - mosque's that recruit, or assaults upon ones religion which RESULTS in mosque's that recruit?

Given the long list of nasty things we did to them, beginning with our invasion of a country that DIDN'T attack us, Abu Grahib, Gitmo, torture, rendition, secret black prisons, military tribunals, unlimited detention, drone attacks, zillions of civilian casualties, anger at building a mosque near ground zero, burning the koran, and a few other lesser items, I'd say it's OUR behavior that's causing Al Quaida recruits...

You seem to think, on the other hand, that recruitment happens in a vacuum, simply because the mosques are there, all the while IGNORING the list of assaults we perpetrated upon them...

excon

I can agree with there being a lot of radicals, that's a given, but I think that judging a people (or a religion) by how some of the leaders (and followers) use their excuse of "GOD" is missing the greater point, that even Christianity, (and most major religions) have the same thing in them, as many religious leaders have used. And continue to use religion as a tool to subjugate, and control their populations in an effort to keep power for their own purposes.

History is full of such examples. And while the KKK didn't have the numbers as you say, they still reeked havoc, and fear on a race of people for many years, and still do. So numbers mean nothing, its words and actions that do.

While I agree we as Americans should not live in fear, and base actions on the way others perceive, spin, or use those actions for whatever purpose, we still have to stick to our own defined boundaries of good behavior when dealing with other nations and people who are different.

To blame Islam for our ills, is as misguided as this idiot burning Qur'ans to make his point. He has a right to do it, and I have a right to call him names for it. And even protest loudly about it.

Ex , Did the Nazi's in Germany have a legitimate grievience ? They thought they did .It was the slight of the treaty ending WWI that was their reason.
However the underlying radical philosophy existed long before Hitler .

I happen to know that jihadist recruitment began long before our involvement in the ME... and in fact it predates our existence as a nation or even a place Europeans know about.
The quest for a world wide Califate through conquest began with Mohammed the warrior .
I may not be greatly schooled in the religion he designed . But I am fairly schooled on the historical Mohammed . Much of the tactics employed today by jihadistan comes from his playbook.

I'm not giving a free pass to the KKK any more than I would to any other group that preachs racism at its core... and every group and race has them. Blacks included.

But when you have the radicals in numbers of tens of millions and hunfreds of millions with little to no obvious effort to stop or disuade them, then you do have to hold the entire group accountible.

After all, were not the KKK, relentlessly pursued and held accountible. Are not all members of the KKK held accountible for the actions of a few?

And you see, while this Preacher does have the right to burn as many Korans as he wants... nobody, has the right to threaten the lives of others because he was allowed to do it.

And that's EXACTLY what Islam does...

Let us build out terrorist memorial near ground zero, or somebodies going to get hurt.

Don't let that preacher exercise his 1st amendment rights or somebodies going to get hurt.

Islam = Thugs.

See the parallel to organised crime? I do.

And 99% of world terrorism.. IS Islamic in Nature...

There is not one Islamic nation on the planet that shows respect to those of another faith... and in many Islamic nations it goes far beyond disrespect.

Try to enter Mecca or Medina as a non-muslim... try to enter Saudi arabia with a box of Bibles, or Iran... whats going to happen? It won't be pretty.

At its core Islam is not about peace... its about conquest and forcing people into submission... and killing those who won't. They KILL Christian missionaries in Muslim countries... frequently.

Islam means submission... which it forces upon anyone in their reach. It's their primary purpose, and one that is never out of their mind.

I feel as this event will give a push to Muslims who are thinking about becoming terrorists. Just like when they drag our soldiers bodies through the streets gives a kid a push to join the military.

They don't need a push... their culture and their Religious leaders rely on hatred to push the blame of the problems their own society has that are of their own creation on others rather than addressing and fixing them.