Ask Me Help Desk - Wikileaks

Hello again:

Let me state for the record, that I do NOT support the release of the NAMES of people. THAT could have, and SHOULD have been redacted.

excon

And we should rely on Julian ASSange or pfc Mattingly to be the arbiter of what should and shouldn't be released ?

No thanks . None of us voted for either of them . What they engage in is espinonage and they should be treated as such .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

And we should rely on Julian ASSange or pfc Mattingly to be the arbiter of what should and shouldn't be released ?

No thanks . None of us voted for either of them . What they engage in is espinonage and they should be treated as such .

A long way to the right there, Tom, without such people the "administration" would be free to conceal whatever they want to. Why is you think that people you voted for are the only ones who should possess and distribute knowledge.

And why should I rely on a private in the Army with a chip on his shoulder ,and an admitted activist from Aussie . This isn't even journalism .This clown didn't even bother redactions that would keep informants alive.

I have a say and a stake about the policies my country persues in the international arena . It is the elected people I entrust with those policies to . What these two have done will have geo-political consequences and more.

How will our intel agencies be able to conduct human intelligence when sources know that the US cannot secure something as simple as the names of it's assets ?

ASSange and Mattingly have conducted espionage that can potentially get American ,Australian ,British ,
German and any other nation in the theater killed ;and they most assuredly will get Pakistan and Afghan civilians killed .The Taliban is already saying they will go after the people named in the leaks .
Neither should find sanctuary in any of these countries. Mattingly is already under US military custody. Assange should be extradited at the earliest possible date.

Again , journalists are privy to this type of information all the time because they have their own sources and are often embedded in the theater. They responsibly withhold this type of stuff because they know what is at stake.

What the net has wrought is a type of anarchy where a couple of 20 something's can do great harm without even grasping the damage they are causing . I said this earlier but it bears repeating .To those who worry about web censorship... it is garbage like this that will bring it .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

and why should I rely on a private in the Army with a chip on his shoulder ,and an admitted activist from Aussie

Make that an Army private and a convicted hacker.

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Programming quickly became hacking once Assange got an Internet connection, and soon he was accessing government networks and bank mainframes. He was arrested in 1991 and charged with more than 30 criminal counts related to his hacking. Facing as many as 10 years in prison, Assange struck a plea deal.

During sentencing, the judge ruled that Assange only had to pay a fine. Assange's hacks were not malicious; they were the harmless result of “inquisitive intelligence,” said the judge

Julian Assange: the hacker who created WikiLeaks - CSMonitor.com

And we worry about bleeding heart activist judges stateside.

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Assange should be extradited at the earliest possible date. .

Not from Australia, mate, your kangaroo courts have no jurisdiction here

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Again , journalists are privy to this type of information all the time because they have their own sources and are often embedded in the theater. They responsibly withhold this type of stuff because they know what is at stake. .

I have to laugh and I'm sure former General Mac Crystal would laugh too. Journalists cannot be trusted any more than private soldiers or it seems general officers. Sure someone should have taken the time to blank out some names but as your own military has said this is raw intelligence, so maybe your own people should be told not to use sensitive names. Could it be there is too much of this for a private soldier to have access to without help. I think you need to confine your search and your charges to your military and your own opponents of the war

Mattingly should not have had access. But most of this stuff is after action debriefs As they go up the chain of command the brass separates the useful wheat from the chaff and redacts sensitive info.

Assange is a joke.Never before in the history of conflict has the military and the government been so transparent.

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Assange is a joke.Never before in the history of conflict has the military and the government been so transparent.

I get it now! Burning our intelligence sources is what Mimi means by "the most transparent administration in history." Silly me, I thought all this time she was talking about Washington.

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I get it now! Burning our intelligence sources is what Mimi means by "the most transparent administration in history." Silly me, I thought all this time she was talking about Washington.

Now you're getting it, it's transparency from everyone else, which is why small businesses will be swamped with all those 1099's.

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Now you're getting it, it's transparency from everyone else, which is why small businesses will be swamped with all those 1099's.

Homer Simpson moment - D'oh!

Hello again,

I saw Liz Cheney yesterday on FOX. She kept criticizing the left for never being serious about Afghanistan...

THIS, coming from the daughter of he guy who COULD have gotten serious about Afghanistan, but DIDN'T. Now, NINE years later, when our men are RE taking territory they ALREADY took once before, it's GOOD to be reminded of how BOTCHED the effort was from the beginning.

You can't WIN a war that you already LOST!

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

I saw Liz Cheney yesterday on FOX. She kept critisizing the left for never being serious about Afghanistan...

THIS, coming from the daughter of he guy who COULD have gotten serious about Afghanistan, but DIDN'T. Now, NINE years later, when our men are RE taking territory they ALREADY took once before, it's GOOD to be reminded of how BOTCHED the effort was from the beginning.

You can't WIN a war that you already LOST!

excon

So you're saying that since VP Biteme has declared the war in Afghanistan lost, nobody else will get blown up getting to the planes? We just leave? Or that VietNam specialty, "strategic withdrawal" that you draftees were so good at?

Hello again, Cats:

Let me ask you this. Let's say that you're in a fist fight. You're losing. Now, you COULD stop and head the other way. Yes, the guy might throw rocks at your back. But, he's NOT going to have your face to bash in anymore.

You want to stand there and offer him the other cheek. I don't know why. You DO know all this surge stuff COULD have and SHOULD have been done 8 years ago. You talk about staying so that we can honor the dead. But, staying, for the sake of staying and getting our people KILLED, doesn't honor anybody.

excon

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You wanna stand there and offer him the other cheek. I dunno why. You DO know all this surge stuff COULD have and SHOULD have been done 8 years ago. You talk about staying so that we can honor the dead. But, staying, for the sake of staying and getting our people KILLED, doesn't honor anybody.

excon

Nope, I want to offer him the other JDAMs and Hellfires. I agree we should have gone in full bore when we started, finished the job, then looked south.

I don't care to stay for the sake of honor; I care to stay and win. Iraq is able to stand on it's own now, let it.

As for my views on tactics, they'd give you an aneurism. America has stopped being the meanest mother in the valley of death thanks to the likes of Jimmy Carter and yourself. If Barry keeps going that way the score will turn out Afghans 3 - Western powers 0 (Brits, Russians, Us).

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Originally Posted by Catsmine

America has stopped being the meanest mother in the valley of death ...

That's precisely the thinking that gets America hated around the world.

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I don't care to stay for the sake of honor; I care to stay and win. Iraq is able to stand on it's own now, let it..

Hello again, Cats:

Your delusion about Iraq is only exceeded by your delusion about Afghanistan. They are BOTH lost. Watch and see.

excon

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

That's precisely the thinking that gets America hated around the world.

And why Canada is an also-ran.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

That's precisely the thinking that gets America hated around the world.

At last someone gets it

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And why Canada is an also-ran.

What are we running for again?