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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

What's the difference?

I've heard there is a psychological addiction.

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Withdrawal symptoms have no physiological cause, other than psychosomatic.

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Originally Posted by Catsmine

Withdrawal symptoms have no physiological cause, other than psychosomatic.

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The id (self) says, "I wants another toke." The superego (conscience) says, "No." Isn't the discussion between them psychological?

There is no physical addiction?

I can assure you there is an addiction . The good news is that it can be overcome.

The singular crime of smoking pot should not merit either a jail term or permanent record. That is my sole concession in this debate. An employer who hires a known pot smoker to drive a truck or run heavy equipment deserves what happens .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

I can assure you there is an addiction . The good news is that it can be overcome.

The singular crime of smoking pot should not merit either a jail term or permanent record. That is my sole concession in this debate. An employer who hires a known pot smoker to drive a truck or run heavy equipment deserves what happens .

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Would that same reasoning apply to those that drink ?

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Would that same reasoning apply to those that drink ?

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It does.

Addiction is addiction, legal or illegal. That's the only line, legality.

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

It does.

Addiction is addiction, legal or illegal. That's the only line, legality.

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So your saying that persons that might drink on their off hours should be in a position of the evil eye by employers and the ones that hire them get what they deserve ?

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So your saying that persons that might drink on thier off hours should be in a position of the evil eye by employers and the ones that hire them get what they deserve ?

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Do those persons drink only during their off hours, or do they bring their drinking into the workplace? Will you hire one of the latter to drive one of your delivery trucks?

In the same way, do pot smokers smoke only during their off hours?

Is everyone who drinks an alcohol? Is everyone who drinks breaking the law? Is everyone who smokes pot breaking the law? Is there a difference between the two (the alcoholic and the pot smoker)?

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Do those persons drink only during their off hours, or do they bring their drinking into the workplace? Will you hire one of the latter to drive one of your delivery trucks?

In the same way, do pot smokers smoke only during their off hours?

Is everyone who drinks an alcohol? Is everyone who drinks breaking the law? Is everyone who smokes pot breaking the law? Is there a difference between the two (the alcoholic and the pot smoker)?

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Exactly. To me the dangerous person on the job is the one impaired. Doesn't matter what they are on. But if a person does it after hours as ex has been suggesting then what's the difference ?

Apples and oranges . Marijuana stays in your system much longer than alcohol because THC is fat soluble.It stores in the fat cells of the liver,the kidneys, the brain.

But the same principle applies. If an employer knowingly hires a drunk to operate equipment then the employer deserves the liability risk.

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So your saying that persons that might drink on thier off hours should be in a position of the evil eye by employers and the ones that hire them get what they deserve ?

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Not at all.

Many people drink.

Many people smoke pot.

If they do it in their off hours, I don't have a problem with it. There is a matter of legality though. Drinking isn't illegal, unless you choose to drive. Pot is illegal.

It's not up to me to make the law. Heck, I can't even vote. Also, in Canada, pot is illegal, but if you're caught smoking it, the worst that will happen is a slap on the wrist. There are bigger fish to fry.

Now, if a person drinks or smokes pot on the job, you, that's an issue. It should be an issue. It has an effect on your abilities to think, walk, talk etc. etc. Most jobs require at least a modicum of thought.

Would I care if the people I work with drink or smoke pot? No, not unless they're drunk or stoned on the job. If they do that, than they're putting me at risk. I don't want a metal beam dropped on my head because someone was too drunk to know which lever to push. ;)

Bottom line is this. Alcohol isn't illegal. Pot is illegal. Neither should be consumed while working, legal or not, IMO. :)

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Not at all.

Many people drink.

Many people smoke pot.

If they do it in their off hours, I don't have a problem with it. There is a matter of legality though. Drinking isn't illegal, unless you choose to drive. Pot is illegal.

It's not up to me to make the law. Heck, I can't even vote. Also, in Canada, pot is illegal, but if you're caught smoking it, the worst that will happen is a slap on the wrist. There are bigger fish to fry.

Now, if a person drinks or smokes pot on the job, ya, that's an issue. It should be an issue. It has an effect on your abilities to think, walk, talk etc. etc. Most jobs require at least a modicum of thought.

Would I care if the people I work with drink or smoke pot? No, not unless they're drunk or stoned on the job. If they do that, than they're putting me at risk. I don't want a metal beam dropped on my head because someone was too drunk to know which lever to push. ;)

Bottom line is this. Alcohol isn't illegal. Pot is illegal. Neither should be consumed while working, legal or not, IMO. :)

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Apples and oranges . Marijuana stays in your system much longer than alcohol because THC is fat soluable.It stores in the fat cells of the liver,the kidneys, the brain.

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Hello again, tom:

THC IS stored in the fatty tissues and can be DETECTED by a drug test the day after smoking... But, if a person smoked the night before, he's not high in the morning.

Nobody says pot should be smoked at work, that it should be given to children, that people should operate heavy machinery while stoned, and that they should hold up the corner 7/Eleven.

excon

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THC IS stored in the fatty tissues and can be DETECTED by a drug test the day after smoking..... But, if a person smoked the night before, he's not high in the morning.

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As a businessman, does it increase my liability more to have a driver who was up until early morning smoking, who is suffering from fatigue, or drinking, who is suffering from fatigue and dehydration? If the driver partied very late and is still inebriated is different.

Hello Cats:

Absent other evidence of misconduct, I don't think what your employees do in their off time increases your liability at all.

excon

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Hello Cats:

Absent other evidence of misconduct, I don't think what your employees do in their off time increases your liability at all.

excon

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I'd personally prefer one who's sleepy than one who's hung over. Red Bull can help with the first.

All I know is the next excon to be working next to you might be Charlie Rangel.

Rangel summoned by special ethics panel for violations