I agree Paraclete, but our Canadian peacekeepers are getting blown up as well. Of course if America pulled out, we wouldn't need to be there keeping the peace now would we?
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I agree Paraclete, but our Canadian peacekeepers are getting blown up as well. Of course if America pulled out, we wouldn't need to be there keeping the peace now would we?
I don't know how you have the idea you are there in a peacekeeping role. You are not there to keep two sides apart. You are part of the forces fighting the Taliban and Al Qaeda and that is why your forces are being killed, they are the enemy to the Taliban, not some neutral UN chaps who happened to get in the way. That idea is about as far out as that aurora in your nameQuote:
Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell
It is no wonder that this whole thing is screwed up politically when people don't understand what is going on
Well pardon me. Sorry that I was under that impression seeing as the soldiers are called PEACEKEEPERS... hmm weird how I would have thought that eh? Oh P.S I have a few family members who are over there as we speak. Right.
Oh and maybe you could try something that is so obviously foreign to you, instead of being a rude Jerk, you could try educating.
AB
Canada is there because they are part of NATO and NATO has made a commitment to the Afghan mission in 2002 . It is not technically a "peacekeeping mission " because those are usually orchestrated by the UN . They are part of what NATO calls the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) ;and in that name ,it's mission is defined .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada'...fghanistan_War
When Clete says You are part of the forces fighting the Taliban and Al Qaeda and that is why your forces are being killed, they are the enemy to the Taliban ,what he means is that the Taliban and AQ are enemies to the internal security of the nation of Afghanistan and would love to overthrow the country and return things to ante-bellum where the brutal Taliban controlled the country ,terrorized the people ,and AQ ran terrorist training camps with the approval of the Taliban . For what it is worth ,in my opinion ,your family members serving there are performing a noble and worthy role.
Excon says in another posting that there are only a couple hundred AQ in Afghanistan completely ignoring the reason why they no longer have a base of operation in the country. When we withdraw (and we will soon because our leaders don't have the heart for this mission) the Taliban will return and AQ most likely will as well.
Thank you Tomder. I really appreciate that info. Admittedly I have not been playing as close of attention as I should.I was wrong, and now I know better. It breaks my heart hearing the stories and as much as I try I can not understand the reasoning behind (us) being there. I know that is no excuse.
A little bit of education goes a long way, again; I thank you for this information.
I know how you feel, I live near one of the largest bases in Canada and work with some of the wives. It's just a matter of time before I work with a widow. I know that army life would never be for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell
Hello tom and Bella:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Let's say you had a nice terrorist training camp in Afghanistan. Then the US came in and threw you out. So, you set up nice terrorist training camps in Pakistan and Somalia, and you put one up in Yemen too...
A few years later the US decides to leave Afghanistan... Would you go back? Probably not. Why would you? You've got nice terrorists training camps all over now. You don't need Afghanistan...
But, the wingers think they need to keep on making war in Afghanistan to keep AQ out. Makes NO SENSE to me.
excon
I'm not sure if you are familiar with Oromocto, but my father was posted there, worst 2 years of my life. Not the way you want the men and women coming home. Thanks NK.
Sounds like it could be a vicious cycle if no one learns from what is happening in Afghanistan.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I'm very, very, familiar with Oromocto. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell
Let's dissect this a little . In Afghanistan they had bases with the approval of the central government . Then they were chased out and we have tried to support a central government that would not permit them to use Afghanistan as a base of support.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
They moved on to areas in Yemen ,Somalia ,and Pakistan that are essentially lawless outlands that the central governments in those nations do not control (and in the case of Somalia I am not sure there is a controlling national government at all. ) While they are in these areas the US and allies have kept them under constant pressure with air strikes that are killing their leadership and disrupting their organizational control . Yes they've adapted to some degree and have decentralized the organization . But as a result they are unable to coordinate strikes like the 9-11 attacks and the twin Embassy bombings.
Now when we leave why would they return to a nation that welcomes them ,offers them sanctuary ,and allows them the space and time for central command and control ? Duh .
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
It depends on what you think AQ's motivation is. If it's to continually pack up and move, then they might go back. But, if it's to attack the US, they can do that very nicely from Somalia or Yemen, or Pakistan as was recently demonstrated.
The idea that we could conquer Afghanistan, the most backwards country in the world, and make it over in our image, so that they'd actually KEEP AQ out, is delusional. Fighting to keep Al Quaida AWAY from some place makes no sense to me - unless we plan to stay there FOREVER keeping people out...
excon
I agree with you ex this whole thing has become delusional, but the position is you can't just leave or a whole lot of people might get killed in the evacuation. The British found retreat from Afghanistan very difficult, so did the Russians, and I expect nothing different this time round. So the idea is to make a big enough didn't in the enemy that attacks will be minimal during withdrawal. Last plane out could have a lot of holes in itQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
The British contingent got massacred .But General McChrystal is no General Elphinstone.Quote:
the British found retreat from Afghanistan very difficult
Back to the OP on why they hate us and why we don't listen, more Muslim voices...
“As long as there is no intention to fight us and Islam continues to grow there can be peace. This is the doctrine of Islam. Islam can’t be ruled by others. Allah’s law can’t be under human law. Allah’s law must stand above human law. All laws must be under Islamic law. This is what the infidels fail to recognize, that’s what America doesn’t like to see.” -Abu Bakar Bashir
“Muslims should consider with care the verses on loyalty, faith and jihad. They should sever any relations with the Jews and the Christians . . . whoever befriends Jews and Christians becomes like them, and becomes one of them in their religion and in their infidelity. God, Praise and Glory be to him, indicated in many verses that whoever befriends the infidels becomes one of them.” -Osama bin Laden
“The walls of oppression and humiliation cannot be demolished except in a rain of bullets...the freeman does not surrender leadership to infidels and sinners...without shedding blood no degradation and branding can be removed from the forehead.” -Osama bin Laden
“The Da’wah {preaching of Islam} can spread only through the barrels of the cannons. One will of a martyr is much more efficient and effective than dozens of religious lessons and sermons. This is the first goal of the Jihad. Jihad is not only a military activity. It should be accompanied by a proper Salafi Da’wah and incitement.” -Abu Muhammad al-Hilali
“And may Allah lengthen our days to allow us to infuriate the enemies of Allah, kill them, and strike them by the sword until they either join the religion of Allah or we kill every last one of them. Our model is [the Prophet] Mohammad, who said to the infidels of Qureish, ‘I have brought the slaughter upon you.’” -Abu Hajer
“This is a public statement: Terrorism is part of Islam, and whoever denies it is an Infidel.” -Abd al-Qader bin Abd al-Aziz
“‘Killing Muslims who are acting as a shield is not the most preferable option, but is necessary if you must kill them to get at the enemy. If you do not kill the Muslim shield, the enemy will kill the Muslims anyway.’ . . . ‘restoring the religion is more important than restoring the soul.’ . . . ‘My killing Muslims . . . is defending ourselves. The purpose of this is to defend the whole nation from the enemy.’” -al-Zarqawi
“There is no such thing as an ‘innocent’ kafir (unbeliever)... -al-Muhajiroun
“Thus, Muslims can have only one goal: converting the entire humanity to Islam and ‘effacing the final traces of all other religions, creeds and ideologies.’” -Yussuf al-Ayerri
“We once ruled the world and the day will come when, by god, we will rule the entire world. The day will come when we will rule the United States, the day will come when we will rule Britain, we will rule the whole world, [and all will live in peace and comfort under our rule] except the Jews. The Jews will not live in peace and comfort under our rule. Treachery will keep being their nature throughout history. The day will come when the whole world will rid itself of the Jews. . . .” -Sheikh Ibrahim Mudeiras
Are you listening yet?
Speech,
Why are they not trying to convert/assassinate the chinese? Much closer and a larger population.
Who says they're not?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Al-Qaeda vows revenge on China over Uighur deaths
Ask the Indians about the jihad. Ask the Philippines . Ask the Christians in Africa or the ME . The only thing they do wrong is occupy the same space.
What did the Taliban do to the Buddha status in Bamyan Afghanistan ? They destroyed Hindu Temples long before the US existed .
The Chinese have jihad insurgencies,so do the Russians .This list of places where jihad wages war is rather large for people who's only concern is American crusaders .
Voying something and doing it are two different things. The US wouldn't have a problem if the jihadist simply voyed to get them.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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