Hello M:Quote:
Originally Posted by Michelle513
I wondered when the dude in the death robes would show up, carrying his sign that the world is DOOMED. I didn't know he'd be a chick, though.
excon
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Hello M:Quote:
Originally Posted by Michelle513
I wondered when the dude in the death robes would show up, carrying his sign that the world is DOOMED. I didn't know he'd be a chick, though.
excon
There is always the ultimate solution, nuke it, that should seal the leak and burn off the oil. See, no one is prepared to admin they even thought about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stringer
Look, bad news travels fast and with Murpy's Law in operation things are always ten times worse than the first reports. This is what you get when you allow capitalism free reign but the other side of Murphy's Law is that the simplist solution is sometimes the best, now they are using a siphon to capture the oil
Hello again, clete:Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Nahhh. This is what you get when government doesn't do its job.
excon
Now ex you can have it both ways, surely you want small government?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, clete:Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
You're right. I want small government. I don't want NO government. And, what I'd want my SMALL government to do is regulate how we treat our national resources - not the stuff I put in my body. People who want to regulate that, DON'T want small government.
excon
You don't get it ex, the job of government is to regulate harmfull substancesQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, clete:Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I think I do. Let me see. Pot in my body = good. Oil pouring into our ocean = bad.
excon
I think the US government's job would/should be to take care of US territories, like the Gulf of Mexico.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again:
I'm sure those of you who follow current events remembers me talking about throwing our trash into the air. It just seems to me, that doing that is going to do something bad. The rightwingers here constantly remind me that nobody is saying that it's OK to throw your trash into the air.
But, I'm hearing from some righty's that it's really going to be OK that we're dumping oil into the ocean. Brit Hume, on the weekend FOX show kept emphasizing that point by saying the Gulf "is a BIG ocean". Rush Limprod says it too.
Which makes me think you righty's really DO believe that it's OK to throw our trash into the air. After all, the atmosphere is pretty BIG.
excon
It's NOT OK. Pollution kills... and now I hear the oil in the gulf is going into the stream that will loop it around Florida and into the Atlantic.
Hello this:
Mark my words. This will be remembered as the WORST environmental disaster to have EVER befallen us. If we kill the oceans, we die too.
excon
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Ex do you remember the exxon valdez, the worst environmental disaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
This will be the worst until the next time we do something stupid
We can tilt at windmills hoping sci-fi solutions for our energy needs will emerge in the short term ;or we can fix this problem ;learn from it and move on. Ask the miners in W Va. If this is a risky business. Valdez today is clean so the damage is repairable .
By the way the worse disaster was Chernobyl. 336,000 people were forced to resettled. Does that mean we should quit nuclear power ? No
No we should not quit nuclear power. I think I read a while ago that the vegetation around Chernobyl has flourished, and though the animals may have suffered some DNA damage, wildlife has also flourished.
Hello again, tom:
On FOX News Sunday, Brit Hume told Juan Williams that the country needs to have an adult conversation about oil. (He's so pompous!) "We're NOT going to stop using it", he lectured Juan.
Hume got it to a teenage level. He STILL didn't get very adult about it. Because if he did, he would have said that oil is finite. We ARE going to run out, and we WILL stop using it. That is just so. The question we have to ask ourselves is, are we going to do it NOW, or are we going to do it LATER.
If we do it NOW, the pain is going to be less than if we do it later. But, if we do it RIGHT NOW, TODAY, there might not be any pain at all. In fact, it might just be the thing that pulls us OUT of this recession.
Now, THAT'S an adult conversation about energy.
excon
PS> (edited) Well, I don't mean STOP, as in cold turkey. I mean BEGIN an alternative energy program TODAY!
I did not watch it so I don't know the tone. Nor did I read the transcript so I can't put his comments in context.
He is of course correct that in the near term there is nothing out there that satisfies our current energy needs than carbon based fuels .
Of course take realistic conservation measures and explore all the science fiction alternatives ,and even adopt (where realistic )the alternatives that have been developed .
But I do believe ,given the increase in demand for energy worldwide;that there is a suitable immediate replacement for oil gas coal. The best approach for now is "all hands on deck" . I do not agree that we should stop using it NOW . I would like to see the plan you have to quit using carbon based energy sources now and replace the infrastructure to accommodate some yet to be discovered energy supply that could immediately replace existing energy demands ,let alone future demands.
Accidents should be a wake up call. But you can often get the wrong message from them .
The 3 Mile Island accident denied us a valuable source of clean energy for decades . Instead ,a recognition of the dangers in energy exploration ,extraction ,and generation should be part of the calculation... that where safeguards can be employed they should be .
But accidents should not make us shy.Nor should we be deluded in the thought that clean renewable alternative energies are a panacia .
To give you one example ;all these fuel cells ,and batteries for windmills everyone is in love with requires the mining of even rarer minerals than oil .The vast supply of these minerals are found in nations that are just as dangerous to be beholden to as the Arab nations .
But they have been touted as part of the brave new utopian world .
Many of the challenges involved in adopting alternatives do not get discussed with this enamour with anything but oil utopia.
You would agree that an adult discussion about energy supply would also recognize that it isn't as easy or as painless as portrayed to convert a world economy .
The good news is that when viable alternatives to existing technology have become available in the past ,the free market recognized it and there was a rapid conversion .
So yes ,I see a day when there will be viable alternatives . That day is not now.
PS I agree and no one disputes that .Quote:
PS> (edited) Well, I don't mean STOP, as in cold turkey. I mean BEGIN an alternative energy program TODAY!
So stop the drilling off the US coast, become more dependent on oil for other countries, lets triple the cost of everything. Oh I forgot, Mexico,China,Cuba and every other country has wells in the Gulf in international water or off their own coast. The gulf is shared check your map. Accidents happen and a plan was prepared but never funded. Who does that? You Know fund things that protect the interest of the American people? When the accident happen no equipment was available because no one was given the job and funds. The damage could have been far less had the equipment been ready and waiting. BP my own the well the damages fall at the feet of congress.
I'm not sure what that sentence says.Quote:
Originally Posted by meyowgee
BP "neglected" to provide a $500,000 piece of equipment that would have prevented this accident. Greed is what it comes down to -- greed on the part of BP.
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