I was thinking of sabotage by another oil company. What a bunch of conspiracy theorists we are!

No, I've always been against drilling off shore in the ocean. Now I am more convinced it is wrong! I knew it was just a matter of time before something like this happened.

Except the blow out theory is plausible . It does happen; but it is in the containing them by a valve system installed at the head of a well that's working properly where disasters are prevented.

thisisit Ok lets say we don't drill for oil, natural gas is a risk too so that's out. Coal ?miners just died from that ;not an option . Dams for hydro; gone .Nuclear ? Forgettabout it.


But we are still left with the reality that the people of the world have ever increasing energy demands. How do you satisfy that immediately ?( I know about all the sciene fiction future possibilities. )

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thisisit Ok lets say we don't drill for oil, natural gas is a risk too so that's out. Coal ?miners just died from that ;not an option . Dams for hydro; gone .Nuclear ? forgettabout it.


but we are still left with the reality that the people of the world have ever increasing energy demands. How do you satisfy that immediately ?( I know about all the sciene fiction future possibilities. )

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Don't worry Tom some dills are using a laser to create fusion, they didn't call it cold fusion because the result is very hot, if they don't destroy the Earth all your problems will be solved. Out in space the sun burns without the benefit of a very volitile substanced called oxygen and yet these researchers will create the experiment in an oxygen rich environment, sort of like drilling oil wells in a pristine environment

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thisisit Ok lets say we don't drill for oil, natural gas is a risk too so that's out. Coal ?miners just died from that ;not an option . Dams for hydro; gone .Nuclear ? forgettabout it.


but we are still left with the reality that the people of the world have ever increasing energy demands. How do you satisfy that immediately ?( I know about all the sciene fiction future possibilities. )

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Geez, I don't know... you know, when gas prices went so high, I changed my driving habits by A LOT. I'd say I use less than a tank a month now compared to a tank a week. I also turned down my thermostat, and don't use air conditioning anymore. I recycle just about everything. What is wrong with nuclear power? I thought that was cleaner energy? I don't really like the windmills, but that might be the best. We can't keep using up things we are going to run out of anyway because we will eventually run out, if we don't ruin the planet first.

Glad you are open to nuclear. I happen to think it will be the bridge between now and the day when recycled trash fuels the planet.

But most people think it is much riskier than even the worse oil spill. They are wrong of course but can't be convinced otherwise. Long Island NY went so far as to build and contaminate a plant before they scrapped it... and in that case the protesters had a point .Long Island is the worlds longest parking lot and evacuation planning impossible.

I happen to think that the breeder reactors the French use make so much sense that I can't believe they aren't widely used.

But they aren't so drill drill drill .

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I happen to think that the breeder reactors the French use make so much sense that I can't believe they aren't widely used.

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The reason is they are french, it's the not made here syndrome

Now we learn ,according to the WSJ, there was no off site remote control acoustic switch shut off valve that is required by some other major producer nations .

Safe guards exist .But they weren't being used on this rig.
Leaking Oil Well Lacked Safeguard Device - WSJ.com

Hello again, tom:

So, THAT doesn't convince you to boycott?

excon

Boycott whom ?

Hello again, tom:

7/Eleven. They sell gas, don't they?

excon

Proof will come out a Democrat ordered that platform sunk...

I'll boycott. Of course we don't have any BP, Citgo, Lucoil or 7-11's in our city so we're all in solidarity on that here. :D

I'll defer on boycotting any other entity until I find further information. If a remote valve is standard practice elsewhere then who is responsible for it not being standard here ? Was it oversight or was there a decision made by Congress and/or the regulators to ignore the safety provision.

Since I don't know yet the reason why it was not used in this case I can't affix blame.

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Since I don't know yet the reason why it was not used in this case I can't affix blame.

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Hello again, tom:

I don't know. Ever hear the expression, "the buck stops here"? I don't know the REASON either, but I DO know that someone who was SUPPOSED to know the reason, didn't - and he worked for BP. That's enough to affix responsibility for me.

excon

You are probably right. It would be easy for me to say yeah I'll boycott them ;but I can't really recall the last time I pulled into a BP station.

I wonder if they are going to revamp their adds about being the green("beyond petroleum."
) energy company ?

Doesn't BP supply more than just BP stations? I was assuming it would be a trick to know where a lot of gas stations get their gas. For example, where does Costco gas come from? What about fuel oil used in oil-powered power plants or domestic heating oil?

Crude is a commodity... once it hits the refineries... who knows who's oil is mixed with whoes. THere is no effective way to keep any one companies oil completely segregated from the well to the pump.

Not in this country anyway.

Correct ,but my criteria is not where the oil comes per se. It is who owns the company in the case of Citgo and Lukoil.