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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Now you're getting it, we've said that all along. Private insurers won't be able to compete with someone that holds all the cards.

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Hello again, Steve:

They probably should have stayed at the table, then. I don't think threatening the government is a GOOD idea. Maybe they won't get nothing, now..

excon

Ex

You know and I know and we all know that Social Security as a nest egg cracked a long time ago ;and was never really an adequate safety net. Social Security is a transfer program that takes money from working people and transfers it to retired people. There is no investment, no pool of your money waiting when you retire, nor are you owed or entitled to anything.It is a social compact that will soon be broken.

Social Security will slip into the red next year, according to AP paying out more in benefits than it collects in payroll taxes... and it will fall permanently in the red by 2016 .

The only way the system survives is to tap into the general revenue and convert it into just another nanny state welfare program.

I know it works well for you because you are in the top tier of the ponzi scheme . But the generation behind you will not be so lucky. They will see increasing shares of their revenue; revenue that they could use to raise their own families and prepare for their own retirements ,used to support the heinious scam Roosevelt concocted .

There is no way out of the mess he created beyond increased payroll taxes AND reduced benefits... oh wait... there is one more solution the Obots have seemed to
Embrace... death panels.

Next we'll hear that it's the patriotic duty of the elderly to die as Dem Colorado Guv. Richard Lamm forecast 25 year ago. You support that while you accuse me of supporting turning them out into the street.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

They probably should have stayed at the table, then. I don't think threatening the government is a GOOD idea. Maybe they won't get nothing, now..

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I must have missed where they "threatened the government." Could you point that out for me?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

You know and I know and we all know that Social Security as a nest egg cracked a long time ago ;and was never really an adequate safety net

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Hello tom:

I say again; if the health care bill does not include a strong public option, Sarah Palin will be elected president in 2012, and you'll get your wish.. SS and Medicare both will be dismantled.

Plus, we'll probably attack the world. That'll make you even happier.

excon

Ctually, I think Palin's chances are STRONGER if there IS a public option... because most people are against the idea of the government being involved with providing our health care.

A plan that has no public option is more likely to be acceptable to most people, and would decrease Palin's chances in 2012.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

because most people are against the idea of the government being involved with providing our health care.

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Hello again, Elliot:

We've argued about where you get your numbers from before... Of course, you make them up. Even FOX news says that 60% of the people support a public option. See the video here: Shep Smith knocks down a favorite Fox myth: The public option doesn't equal 'government-run health care' | Crooks and Liars

Who am I to argue with Fox, the fair and balanced people?

excon

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Hello again, Elliot:

We've argued about where you get your numbers from before... Of course, you make them up. Even FOX news says that 60% of the people support a public option. See the video here: Shep Smith knocks down a favorite Fox myth: The public option doesn't equal 'government-run health care' | Crooks and Liars

Who am I to argue with Fox, the fair and balanced people?

excon

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I thought you didn't link to stuff.

And P.S. ex, thanks for demonstrating that Fox News IS more than an "arm of the Republican Party."

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The foundation of our health care industry is broken...

excon

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Pure, unadulterated, 100% BS. The greatest enemy of freedom in the United States today is the presidency of Mr. Barack Obama. Yep, the fox is in the hen house, while the watchdogs glowingly cheer him on.

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say again; if the health care bill does not include a strong public option, Sarah Palin will be elected president in 2012, and you'll get your wish.. SS and Medicare both will be dismantled.

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Medicare will be either dismantled or rendered unrecognizable by Health Care Reform despite the denials of the Dems. The President openly says they'll use savings from Medicare cuts to fund the new scheme.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/health-care-reform/

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman...72628569.shtml

We now have the definitive answer on the constitutionality of Obamacare courtesy of Roland Burris:

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“Well, that’s under certainly the laws of the--protect the health, welfare of the country," said Burris. "That’s under the Constitution. We’re not even dealing with any constitutionality here. Should we move in that direction? What does the Constitution say? To provide for the health, welfare and the defense of the country.”

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Yep, it's right there under the "health and welfare" clause.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

We now have the definitive answer on the constitutionality of Obamacare courtesy of Roland Burris:

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Hello Steve,

If intelligence were a requirement for congress more'n HALF of 'em would fail. You don't want me to talk about some of the stupid guys YOU got, do you?

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello Steve,

If intelligence were a requirement for congress more'n HALF of 'em would fail. You don't want me to talk about some of the stupid guys YOU got, do you?

excon

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Well there's stupid and then there's prevarication.

Buris is trying to justify something unconstitutional by creating a new clause in the Constitution that isn't actually written there. This isn't stupidity, excon. It's an out-and-out lie about what the Constitution says in order to justify something that can't be justified.

Yes, Buris is indeed stupid. And yes, there are plenty of people who are stupid in Congress. (Some of them even become vice presidents. And before you say it, yes, both Biden and Quale can be said to fit the bill.) However, in this case Buris' stupidity lies in his assumption that nobody will check what the Constitution actually says when he makes a statement like that one.

Elliot

Ex, I don't think stupid is the word for this guy.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello Steve,

If intelligence were a requirement for congress more'n HALF of 'em would fail. You don't want me to talk about some of the stupid guys YOU got, do you?

excon

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By all means Ex let us talk about some of the stupid people outside of the USA, surely there has been enough said about the stupid people in it