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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

It was just a week or so ago that I was accused of doing nothing but attacking Obama, "that's all you do" were the words used I believe. The story here is I asked to put an end to this conspiracy theory in defense of Obama, something tom had done months and months ago and to which Elliot concurs. Just let the record show we've all 3 defended Obama on this.

Ah... but don't you see... since excon doesn't have facts to back up his positions, he needs to continue to find ways to marginalize us. So keeping this ridiculous "birther" argument alive is in his best interests. That's also why he comes up with stuff about us trying to justify an assassination of Obama or a government takeover. He can't win a straight-up argument anymore, so he has to resort to marginalization tactics.

It must suck when the guy he's been supporting has done all the same things that you have been complaining about "the dufus" doing over the past 8 years. It leaves him with no logical leg to stand on in an argument, and results in him having to resort to other, less viable tactics in an argument. Like taking statements out of context in order to build conspiracy theories about right-wing government takeovers and assassination plots.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

So keeping this ridiculous "birther" argument alive is in his best interests.

Hello again, El:

I'M keeping it alive?? Dude! The birthers are YOURS. They come from the Sarah Palin wing of the Republican party. You remember that chick, don't you? You supported her after all..

So, go read twinks stuff. Tell me she's a Democrat... Dude! Talk about marginalizing yourself.

excon

I know Elliot, it pains him to have to say Obama sucks. Unlike some though he will again... eventually.

Barack Obama is a US citizen - fact | World News | News.com.au

Even Rupert's website is saying it is a joke. I bet it still won't be enough for the likes of wack jobs like Twinkie. Bitter old lady she is!!

For the record. Twink was a PUMA Democrat supporter of Evita during the elections ;not a conservative Republican . I'm sure she will confirm that fact.

Sarah Palin has never brought up the birth cert. issue nor has any responsible conservative .

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, El:

I'M keeping it alive??? Dude!! The birthers are YOURS. They come from the Sarah Palin wing of the Republican party. You remember that chick, don't you? You supported her after all..

So, go read twinks stuff. Tell me she's a Democrat... Dude! Talk about marginalizing yourself.

excon

The "Sarah Palin Wing" of the Republican Party?

Can you define that please?

And is Sarah Palin a birther herself, or are you just trying to link her to a bunch of conspiracy theorists in order to marginalize HER too?

Since she has never made any public comments about Obama not being a born citizen or the lack of a birth certificate, it would seem to me that you are trying to create a link between Palin and the birthers that doesn't exist.

Peekaboo... we see you.

Just as a side note, you should probably check into who some of the more prominent members of the birther movement are. They include:

- Philip J. Berg, a Pennsylvania attorney and 9/11 conspiracy theorist; Berg describes himself as a "moderate to liberal" Democrat who backed Hillary Clinton for president,

- Andy Martin, a perennial candidate and born Democrat who served as an intern to Senator Paul Douglas, but has run for various offices as both Democrat and Republican. He's the guy who started the "Obama is a secret Muslim" whisper campaign.

- Robert L. Schulz, a tax protester and activist who placed full-page advertisements in the Chicago Tribune in December 2008 arguing that Obama had been born in Kenya or had subsequently renounced U.S. citizenship.

Yes, there have been quite a few conservatives who have jumped on the birther bandwagon. But the birthers are hardly exclusive to the Republican party or the conservative movement. And Sarah Palin ain't one of 'em.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

We do not need to create false conspiracies that make those who are against his policies look like conspiracy nut-jobs.

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

Just as a side note, you should probably check into who some of the more prominent members of the birther movement are. They include:

- Philip J. Berg, a Pennsylvania attorney and 9/11 conspiracy theorist; Berg describes himself as a "moderate to liberal" Democrat who backed Hillary Clinton for president,

- Andy Martin, a perennial candidate and born Democrat who served as an intern to Senator Paul Douglas, but has run for various offices as both Democrat and Republican. He's the guy who started the "Obama is a secret Muslim" whisper campaign.

- Robert L. Schulz, a tax protester and activist who placed full-page advertisements in the Chicago Tribune in December 2008 arguing that Obama had been born in Kenya or had subsequently renounced U.S. citizenship.

Hello again, El:

First they're nut jobs, and now they're prominent?? Dude! Do you hear yourself??

excon

Again, the story here is those conservatives on AMHD who have defended the president on this nonsense. And this should settle it, in a stunning display of unanimity on a most pressing issue, the House unanimously passed a resolution recognizing Hawaii's entry into the union and Obama's birth there.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, El:

First they're nut jobs, and now they're prominent??? Dude! Do you hear yourself???

excon

There are plenty of prominent nut jobs out there. Prominence, means that they are well known. Nut jobs means they're crazy. What makes you think that they are mutually exclusive?

Susan Sarandon is a VERY prominent nut job. In fact, most of Hollywood is made up of prominent nut jobs. There are plenty of prominent nut jobs in the political arena too. (It may, in fact, be part of the job description.)

The three people I mentioned are prominent, in that they are well-known. They are nut jobs, well, because they're complete whack-jobs.They are also Dems.

Which is my point. The birther movement (which is made up exclusively of nut jobs, some of whom are prominent) has both liberals and conservatives, both Republicans and Democrats as followers. Trying to paint it as a "right wing conspiracy" is just simply wrong because there are quite a few lefties among them as well.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

Trying to paint it as a "right wing conspiracy" is just simply wrong because there are quite a few lefties among them as well.

Hello again, El:

So, the birthers are bipartisan, huh? My God, Dude! You have fallen off the deep end.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, El:

So, the birthers are bipartisan, huh? My God, Dude! You have fallen off the deep end.

excon

Ex, is this any more ridiculous than the "Trig truthers," chief among them Obama supporter and celebrated journalist Andrew Sullivan, a conspiracy which Time magazine acknowledged and noted as a rumor which "moved from Daily Kos to the Times of London at Internet speed?"

No it isn't, you guys just want to paint all conservatives as kooks and all kooks as conservatives.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

No it isn't, you guys just want to paint all conservatives as kooks and all kooks as conservatives.

Hello again, Steve:

Nahhh, we got our share of kooks... But, here's the facts... The Republicans used to be a party very similar to the Democratic party. Both had kooks on the fringes, and regular folks in the middle... But, MOST of those middle ground Republicans left the party. In fact, they were INVITED to leave. So, the party, apparently ON PURPOSE, has reduced itself down to a VERY conservative, very white, very southern MINOR party.

So, your kooks ain't so much on the fringe anymore. That's all I'm saying.

excon

PS> (edited) Oh, yeah. I forgot. You got ONE NY Jew too. I don't know how he slipped in.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, El:

So, the birthers are bipartisan, huh? My God, Dude! You have fallen off the deep end.

excon

Nope. Falling off the deep end is a function of not being able to accept reality. That describes YOU, not me.

The three people I mentioned above are Dems. They are birthers. They are, in fact, some of the loudest birthers out there.

I am not saying that the birthers don't include Republicans and Conservatives. They do. But they also include lots of Dems and Libs.

You seem to be having trouble dealing with reality lately...

Elliot

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Nahhh, we got our share of kooks.... But, here's the facts... The Republicans used to be a party very similar to the Democratic party. Both had kooks on the fringes, and regular folks in the middle... But, MOST of those middle ground Republicans left the party. In fact, they were INVITED to leave. So, the party, apparently ON PURPOSE, has reduced itself down to a VERY conservative, very white, very southern MINOR party.

So, your kooks ain't so much on the fringe anymore. That's all I'm sayin.

excon

I don't know... in recent polls, 60-67% of Americans identified themselves as Conservatives. Yeah, the Republican party has lost some luster... deservedly so. But the philosophy of Conservatism is growing rather strongly. Which means they ain't the "fringe" you would like to paint them as.

Again, your attempts to marginalize conservatives are failing miserably.

You ought to try a new tactic.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Nahhh, we got our share of kooks.... But, here's the facts... The Republicans used to be a party very similar to the Democratic party. Both had kooks on the fringes, and regular folks in the middle... But, MOST of those middle ground Republicans left the party. In fact, they were INVITED to leave. So, the party, apparently ON PURPOSE, has reduced itself down to a VERY conservative, very white, very southern MINOR party.

So, your kooks ain't so much on the fringe anymore. That's all I'm sayin.

excon

PS> (edited) Oh, yeah. I forgot. You got ONE NY Jew too. I dunno how he slipped in.

I wish you guys would make up your mind, for the past 8 years you couldn't make up your minds if were neocons or extreme right-wing bigots. But then that is the problem with the GOP, they can't seem to keep from letting everyone else define who we are.

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

I dunno... in recent polls, 60-67% of Americans identified themselves as Conservatives. You ought to try a new tactic.

Hello again, El:

New tactic?? Okee doakee then. How about the only recent poll that COUNTED?? 52.9% Democrat - 45.7% Republican...

You are living in a fantasy world.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, El:

New tactic???? Okee doakee then. How about the only recent poll that COUNTED??? 52.9% Democrat - 45.7% Republican....

You are living in a fantasy world.

excon

Yep. That's the one that counted... in 2008.

What about 2010 and 2012?

The past is the past. Can't change it.

The future, though... that's looking rather bright for conservatives.

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

The future, though... that's looking rather bright for conservatives.

http://www.funnypix.ca/d/5475-2/Palin+2012.jpg

NK,

That's actually pretty funny. I admit it.

Elliot

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