ET,
Your whole list takes one small aspect of an issue and expands it millionfold as a talking point.
You should work for Fox news!
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ET,
Your whole list takes one small aspect of an issue and expands it millionfold as a talking point.
You should work for Fox news!
Please look again at my original post.
I say that I don't believe that this is what Obama has in mind. I also say that if it IS what he has in mind, I'm not worried about it because we have the 2nd Amendment.
Why is that foolishness?
Are you so sure it couldn't happen here? It's not like it hasn't happened in recent history. I'll bet the Jews of Germany, Poland, Austria, Hungary and Chekoslovakia thought it couldn't happen there either. I'll bet that there are some Venezuelans who can't believe they voted a dictator into power either.
It CAN happen. The fact that it hasn't isn't evidence that it can't. The good thing is that we Americans have the ability to protect ourselves from it in a way that no other nation in history has been able to.
Perhaps it is a Cowboy fantasy. But we're a nation of cowboys at heart, when all is said and done. And those of us who are not will have to learn to deal as best they can if such a thing DOES happen here.
Elliot
Americans did diddly-squat when it came to having their telephone conversations listened to or their emails read by the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
Hello again, El:Quote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
On this, we agree. You have your gun to protect you from the Obama-maniacs, and I have mine to protect me from what vice and the dufus were doing.
excon
As I said, NK, all of these "small aspects" (which aren't all that small, let me tell you) taken as a whole produce the exact effect I describe. These are laws that are already in existence. I don't have to make up any of it... it is the current reality. Each of these laws are a small control on some aspect of our lives. Taken as a whole, they are controls on EVERY aspect of our lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Pro-choicers and pro-gay rights advocates always yell about getting the government out of the bedroom. But they never seem to have a problem with the government being in their bathroom, hospital room, gas tank, gun rack and gun locker, electrical wiring, heating and plumbing systems, kitchen, pockets, board rooms, manufacturing plants, gardens and farms, radios and TVs, classrooms, and investment accounts. They're ONLY worried about the bedrooms. The fact that the government is in EVERY OTHER ASPECT OF THEIR LIVES is completely missed by 95% of liberals. Why liberals and civil libertarians never seem to scream as loud about those things is puzzling to me.
Perhaps it's because the left isn't really worried about the government being in the bedroom either... they aren't really worried about government intervention as long as it is in favor of their political goals. It's only when the government intervention is contrary to their goals that they end up worrying about government interference.
And your attempt to downplay my point seems to be evidence of that fact, NK. You would be the first on this board to talk about the government getting out of the bedroom... as you have been many times in the past. But for some reason you don't see government interference in other aspects of your life as important. It's just "small aspects" that I have "expanded a million fold as a talking point."
Well, they're not small, they aren't blown out of proportion, and they are there right now. And you can't even see it.
Elliot
Oh it says a lot about me. It says I base my decisions on logical thinking not because some invisible force is going to punish me for not doing what it wants.
I believe everyone called Obama a terrorist because of relationships he has had. Well I don't want someone to think I'm some religious lunatic because I am a republican. And sorry to say that IS how most of my generation looks at the Republican party (hence why your party is dying). So what's the point of getting on board with something that is about 2 general elections away from becoming extinct.
And wasn't it Bushes appoints at the FCC that started with these ridiculous fines if you see a nipple on TV or a wet fart sound on the radio? Yeah the FCC (under bush) has rules about how a fart can sound on the radio.
Obviously you have never used the new light bulbs I put them in 3 years ago and still haven't had to change them!! And my electric bill dropped big time.
Someone needs to control the education system because we SUCK! Just look on this website from the teens who can't actually spell anything.
What are you to cold to have your thermostat at 68 degrees. It isn't a big deal and it helps out with getting off foreign oil.
Ah have you seen how fat most of the people are in this country? It is a laughing stock. I am with them on that close down Fast Food restaurants.
I'll tell you what cause this is great timing I have my voter registration form in my hand to switch back to Independent. I printed it out about an hour ago. Here is your chance to gain a member What are the republican values (and you can't use "small" government)
So here is your chance sell your parties beliefs to me.
Spit,
I salute your refusal to live in fear.
This is what you wrote:Quote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
Nope, nothing blown out of proportion there. http://moransinc.com/forum/img/smilies/monkey.gifQuote:
The left wants to control how much money you can earn or keep.
The left wants to control how warm you keep your house, and what you use to keep it warm.
The left wants to control what you can drive and how you fuel your car.
The left wants to control what you can plant and how you plant it.
The left wants to control what foods you eat and what you drink.
The left wants to control what you can hear on the radio.
The left wants to control the education system.
The left wants to control your retirement funding.
The left wants to control what lightbulbs you use.
The left wants to control what businesses can produce and what people can consume.
The left even wants to control your toilets.
I rescind my offer I just went to GOP.com and clicked on Values the very first thing is Right To bear arms. Yes I own a gun but the right to bear arms are so low on my list that I never think about it.
Second value is equal treatment for all. Ok so the way you treat someone is not as important as owning a gun!
Third value is protect our symbols. Look I love the flag and make sure mine never touches the ground. But again this is number 3 come on.
Freedom of speech of 4th OK fine.
5th is a pro life statement. I Don't believe in that.
Sixth is marriage well that is just SOFA KING WE TODD ED (say it fast)
7th is time for RELIGION.
8 is property rights that is fine.
9 is supporting native American communities well shouldn't that just fall under 2. Why are Native Americans singled out.
Wow so really you guys only believe in 9 things and I don't agree with 6 of them.
Spit, I don't know about anyone else but I don't spend much time worrying about God's punishment. I think and talk a lot more about His forgiveness, grace, mercy and love.Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
I think it was about Obama's relationship with an unrepentant terrorist and other friends like his pastor and mentor. People used to say you could tell a lot about a person by the company they keep. They said it about Bush all the time, suddenly one's friends and advisers mean nothing?Quote:
I believe everyone called Obama a terrorist because of relationships he has had. Well I don't want someone to think I'm some religious lunatic because I am a republican. And sorry to say that IS how most of my generation looks at the Republican party (hence why your party is dying). So what's the point of getting on board with something that is about 2 general elections away from becoming extinct.
Are you saying nudity was allowed under Clinton (no pun intended)? Better to be rules on nipples and farts than rules limiting how much Rush you're allowed to hear.fQuote:
And wasn't it Bushes appoints at the FCC that started with these ridiculous fines if you see a nipple on TV or a wet fart sound on the radio? Yeah the FCC (under bush) has rules about how a fart can sound on the radio.
I'm OK with the bulbs but I've had quite a few burn out in a year. But there are issues with disposal and it's just darn silly to ban the incandescent bulb.Quote:
Obviously you have never used the new light bulbs I put them in 3 years ago and still haven't had to change them!! And my electric bill dropped big time.
Maybe we could teach them the 3 R's instead of worrying so darn much about "comprehensive sex education" and let parents be the parents again.Quote:
Someone needs to control the education system because we SUCK! Just look on this website from the teens who can't actually spell anything.
It's nobody's %$%#$%@% business what I set my thermostat on.Quote:
What are you to cold to have your thermostat at 68 degrees. It isn't a big deal and it helps out with getting off foreign oil.
Are you serious, Spit? The left thinks it's a travesty to define marriage in the only natural way in which all aspects can possibly work but have no problem telling us what we can eat, where we can eat or how fat we can be?Quote:
Ah have you seen how fat most of the people are in this country? It is a laughing stock. I am with them on that close down Fast Food restaurants.
You've already made up your mind apparently.Quote:
I'll tell you what cause this is great timing I have my voter registration form in my hand to switch back to Independent. I printed it out about an hour ago. Here is your chance to gain a member What are the republican values (and you can't use "small" government)
So here is your chance sell your parties beliefs to me.
No my mind was open until I went to GOP.com and saw you guys care more about guns then people.
LOL, and I bet you said that with a straight face. Where were during Obama's first few months of fear mongering about the economy? What the heck do you call all this nonsense about the right wanting to regulate your personal life? The left has perfected the art of fear mongering, I mean my God NK, haven't you heard our planet is DOOMED? LOL, unbelievable.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Oh and this is another thing. Speak for yourself about wanting to be a cowboy. Again my generation does not think like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
I'll put it this way my wife who is not politcal at all. Watched both the conventions because welll she really didn't have a choice because I wanted to watch them. When they scanned the GOP's crowd she begged me to turn it off because the people in the crowd gave her a chill up her spine like she was watching a horror movie. Again your base scares my generation away.
There isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Let's go line by line:
The left wants to control how much money you can earn or keep.
We call it taxation, and it is a system currently being used to keep certain people from being able to take bonuses that were guaranteed to them via contract. Furthermore, taxes collected from the rich are used for welfare programs for the poor.
The left wants to control how warm you keep your house, and what you use to keep it warm.
This is the ban on offshore drilling and ANWAR drilling. The government has various bits of legislation in place to control what you use to heat your home (natural gas good, oil heat bad, coal evil). They are also working on "smart meters" with which they will be able to tell how much energy you are using and limit your usage. The Los Angeles Department of Water and Power is already using them.
The left wants to control what you can drive and how you fuel your car.
Ban on oil drilling, tax on oil imports, café standards on cars, and cap-in-trade on fuel manufacturers. Not to mention proposed legislation to control oil company profits.
The left wants to control what you can plant and how you plant it.
Organic good, industrial farming bad, herbicides and pesticides evil.
The left wants to control what foods you eat and what you drink.
The trans-fat bans in New York, NY, Philadelphia, PA, Montgomery County, Maryland, Albany County, NY, Chigaco, Il. Boston, Ma, King County, Md, San Francisco, Ca, etc. Also, various legislation designed to "prevent obesity", the renewed attempt at a tax on non-diet sodas in NY.
The left wants to control what you can hear on the radio.
The so-called "fairness doctrine" that is being revived by Congress.
The left wants to control the education system.
Can you say "public schools"? How about "NEA"?
The left wants to control your retirement funding.
Social Security.
The left wants to control what lightbulbs you use.
The Clean Energy Act of 2007's ban against incandescent bulbs and the requirement of CFL bulbs for home use.
The left wants to control what businesses can produce and what people can consume.
Café standards on cars, litigation against tobacco products manufacturers, litigation and legislation against arms manufacturers, litigation and legislation against food companies that use trans-fats.
The left even wants to control your toilets.
The Energy Policy Act of 1992 that limited the amount of water per flush to 1.6 gallons (from 3 gallons prior to legislation).
Exactly which items have I blown out of proportion?
Spit, if you're thinking logical as you say then surely you won't decide based on a few points on a party website which I bet were in no particular order. This is the list I see:Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
National Security
Government Reform
Economy
Energy
Environment
Health Care
Education
Crime
Values
Caring about the unborn to me is the ultimate in caring about people. Not only is the current president the most pro-abortion president ever (one of his first official acts was to stick his finger in the eye of pro-lifers), he and his base want to discourage if not eliminate incentives to give to charity. They want government to take care of people instead of people taking care of people. You don't get much more impersonal and uncaring than that in my opinion.
Well let's pick one 'cause I'm working at the same time.
So if you want a hamburger can you get it if the "left" is in power? Can you eat some salmon? Can you drink a milkshake? Can you have a salad?Quote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
The answer is yes to all those so how has "the left" controlled what you eat?
Nope, he's pro-choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Am I scaring you away? I've made this bet with nearly every liberal I've encountered on these boards, I'd bet you we could sit down and have lunch together and you'd never know I was a "right-wing evangelical neo-con" or whatever it is I'm supposed to be. I'm just a person that puts his pants on the same way everyone else does and who laughs and loves and cries and watches sports on TV. We aren't the enemy and we're not that scary. I've never met one of these scary conservative goblins you're talking about and I live smack dab in the middle of one of the most conservative strongholds in the nation. People tend to come away from here with this thought, the people here are great, and that often brings them back.Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
So what was so scary to your wife that could be found scanning the crowd? Here's that scary crowd from my state:
http://www.mtv.com/news/photos/r/rnc...owboy_hats.jpg
If I want my burger fried with trans-fats or some french ries fried in trans fats, because I like the taste better than the stuff they use now, I CANNOT get it. There is legislation in process to ban "milkshakes" or any other products that can "cause obesity" from fast food restaurants.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
So the answer to those questions is an emphatic "NO". I cannot get these things. The government has banned or is in the process of banning them.
Next?
Elliot
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
No, he's pro abortion, NK. When babies that are already born after botched abortions have to be left to die based on his legislative choices (voting down the Born Alive Act twice) he can no longer be called pro-choice. He's pro-abortion.
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