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Yes tyranny... but excon ,who never before indicated favoring the planks being built on the good ship "sea change" ;now evidently supports irretrievable (as opposed to encroaching ) socialism in the form of ,nationalized healthcare, nationalized financial sector,nationalized energy sector , auto industry owned by the "workers" under direct government management , cap n trade obliteratation of industrial America... etc.
Specter is the posterchild for the case for term limits .
Hello tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
And, the Democrats will welcome them with open arms. You have hit the nail on the head, though. The Republican party is its base and nothing more, and that's all it WANTS to be. However, by limiting itself to such a closed circle, the Republican party is headed for the dustbin of history.
As it's presently constituted, with torturers and religious whackos, I couldn't be happier.
excon
The Democrats do not compromise with the middle. The lefty's took it over and have temporarily persuaded the middle to go along with their agenda.. . but they don't compromise on their issues. They have been unchanged since at least the late 1960s .
Reagan did not try to compromise with the middle. He persuaded them that his agenda was the right one. The secret is not in constructing a big tent and just assuming that if you become more like them you can win them over . The secret in leadership is to convince others that yours is a better way. The big tent was tried by the Republicans with the nominations of Dole ,and John McCain... and all it got them was defeat .
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
You say the marker moved. I say the party moved.
I DO agree with your stand on principles, though. It's the principles that I don't agree with. I too wish my party (the nonexistent one) would adopt all of my off the wall ideas, and would discard anybody who believed differently...
However, I, as opposed to you, realize that a party like that wouldn't work. It's nonexistent for a REASON. Oh, don't think for a minute that "I" think my ideas are off the wall. Noooo. My ideas are mainstream Americana. It's just that Americana hasn't caught up yet. They will. My ideas are just coming into vogue.
But, the Republicans HAD their time - and it PASSED. It's gone, and it ain't coming back. Why?? Because YOUR ideas, as opposed to mine, have BEEN tried and have been repudiated.
Besides, I'm not lamenting the demise of MY ideas. They're beginning to be POPULAR, and they will prevail.
By the way, Ronny Raygun didn't believe what you think he believed. Here's what HE said, “We should emphasize the things that unite us and make these the only ‘litmus test’ of what constitutes a Republican: our belief in restraining government spending, pro-growth policies, tax reduction, sound national defense, and maximum individual liberty.
As to the other issues that draw on the deep springs of morality and emotion, let us decide that we can disagree among ourselves as Republicans and tolerate the disagreement.”
Wow! That's your guy.
excon
Yes ;when Republicans like Specter act like Democrats they do get repudiated . Specter left because the grass roots are wise to the game that the beltway RINOs play. Maybe the party is in disarray ,but Conservative principles are sound . When the Republican party recommits to them they will come back from minority status.
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I don't disagree to this extent: In my view, torture, deficit spending, and spying on Americans AREN'T conservative principles. Because the base has embraced these policies, is the reason why I say the party moved to the right - not the marker.
In my view again, as soon as the Republican party recuperates from its temporary insanity, it has a GOOD chance at competing again.
excon
In case anyone is wondering why I keep calling him "Speculum", it's because a speculum is a medical tool used for body-cavity examinations.
Arlen, who is a total tool, seems to be stuck up the butt of the democrat party and is clearly full of $h!t, just like a speculum. The name fits.
Elliot
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Originally Posted by ETWolverine
Hello again, El:Quote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
Nobody's wondering. The party is purifying itself into oblivion - and you're leading the way.
excon
NK, you post that as if we believed he was ever really on the bus.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Damn it, *another* republican liar. Kind of like those christians that aren't *true* christians the moment they do something bad. LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Gee, NK, are you the only one at AMHD that didn't already know about Specter? You say that as if we believed he was a conservative prior to yesterday. You're little jabs might be amusing if we haven't been consistent, but as it is you're just firing blanks. Come back when you get some ammunition.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
In case there's any doubt, NK, this is the Specter we know. One month ago he said, “To eliminate any doubt, I am a Republican, and I am running for reelection in 2010 as a Republican on the Republican ticket...I think the United States very desperately needs a two-party system. … And I’m afraid that we’re becoming a one-party system, with Republicans becoming just a regional party.”
Yesterday he did a complete about face and gave the Dems the one-party domination he just supposedly feared. This is nothing new for Specter, he was a part of the original "borking" and he caved on porkulus. He has a long career of not standing for much of anything but Specter.
When I heard that this morning I was relieved AND thought 'What took him so long!'
I was thinking a year ago why hasn't he made the inevidible switch?
Lucky you all got your guns then for the big uprising.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Jokes aren't funny when you need to explain them :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
Actually I'd hate to see our government in action if we didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skell
Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive. ---Noah Webster
When the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually... ---George Mason
I wasn't joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skell
OK my little speculum. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
Politicians get voted into office by what they do and can sell themselves to the general public.
Word is that he was going to lose his senate seat by a superior Democratic candidate in the next election. So now he can either win or lose as a democrat in a primary. Its all up to him now. Sell or sleep
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