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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

So true I have a family member did two tours in Iraq and one in Afgan, after getting out ( was wounded slightly) he has emotional issues from the war.

He went in to the VA and YEP guess what same story, get couseling and medication, but VA will not pay for it, his private insurnace has to.
Lucky he has it.

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Doesent matter! No need to critizice VA

Let's see - criticism of every person who disagreed with Lala.

How odd - particularly now that Lala is suspended. Wonder if they live in the same area or have the same IP?

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Originally Posted by iloveyou1994

VA is not understaffed and overworked, sir! Your answer is very offending to fellow Virginians. You did not need to comment like that.:mad:

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You think VA stands for Virginia? I am on the floor - this is the funniest thing EVER.

Sir, I cannot believe you posted this! Hilarious.

And you're mad about it, too.

Just why do you think the great State of Virginia would be responsible for the care and treatment of Veterans?

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Originally Posted by iloveyou1994

Doesent matter! No need to critizice VA

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Keep in mind this person thinks VA stands for Virginia - off in gales of laughter again.

The VA medical system is government-run healthcare. It is the very definition of government-run healthcare. If you are dissatisfied with the nature of the VA system's medical care, if you think that the system is overworked and underpaid, just imagine what it is going to be like when 300 million Americans are added to the system in the form of nationalized healthcare.

That's what we're headed for, folks.

Don't say you weren't warned.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

It is the very definition of government-run healthcare.

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No it's not, many variations exist. Why do you make crazy extrapolations? To try and scare people?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

No it's not, many variations exist. Why do you make crazy extrapolations? To try and scare people?

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No, because it is true. The VA system is government-run healthcare. It is healthcare as run by the US government. It is the system that is already in place, and which acts as a model of what American Government-run healthcare will be if everyone is part of that system.

Why are you trying to deny it? It is what it is.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

... and which acts as a model of what American Government-run healthcare will be if everyone is part of that system..

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Are part of the team planning universal healthcare for the US?

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

No, because it is true. The VA system is government-run healthcare. It is the system that is already in place, and which acts as a model of what American Government-run healthcare will be if everyone is part of that system.

Why are you trying to deny it? It is what it is.

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Hello El:

I don't know. I don't think they the same at all. The VA owns hospitals, and that's where you go for treatment... If it's no good, veterans have no choice...

However, Medicare doesn't own a hospital - NOT one. You can go to ANY hospital, and to ANY doctor to get treatment.

Nope, they don't look ANYTHING alike, except in your warped right wing mind. They're not even close.

excon

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Are part of the team planning universal healthcare for the US?

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Yes. That's the whole point of what we have been arguing about over the past several months. The Obama admin wants universal healthcare, and THIS is what it will look like.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello El:

I dunno. I don't think they the same at all. The VA owns hospitals, and that's where you go for treatment... If it's no good, veterans have no choice...

However, Medicare doesn't own a hospital - NOT one. You can go to ANY hospital, and to ANY doctor to get treatment.

Nope, they don't look ANYTHING alike, except in your warped right wing mind. They're not even close.

excon

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They aren't proposing Medicare for everyone. They are proposing something more like the VA hospital system. The doctors will be government employees, will be paid by the government, will work the hours and for the wages the government demands. The facilities will be set up and run by government employees. Records will be kept by the government (in the form of this new GE company called Healthymagination). Government employees (not doctors) will determine what procedures you get, where and when you get them, and most importantly, what you cannot get. Medicare just pays for stuff. The VA delivers the service... and does so poorly. THAT is the system we're headed for. That's what you seem to be missing in this entire argument.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

THAT is the system we're headed for. That's what you seem to be missing in this entire argument.

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Hello again, El:

Who told you this? The same guy who said there were WMD's in Iraq? Jeez, El. You believe the darndest things.

excon

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

Yes.

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My question missed a word:
Are you part of the team planning universal healthcare for the US?

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, El:

Who told you this? The same guy who said there were WMD's in Iraq? Jeez, El. You believe the darndest things.

excon

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We'll see. But don't say I didn't warn you. The signs are all there. You just refuse to see them.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

My question missed a word:
Are you part of the team planning universal healthcare for the US?

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Nope. I'm part of the team trying to keep it from happening.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

Nope. I'm part of the team trying to keep it from happening.

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Hello again, El:

That would be the just say NO team, right? Well, it IS easier to say NO than to come up with a solution...

Oh, I forgot, you have a solution: Scare everybody!

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, El:

That would be the just say NO team, right? Well, it IS easier to say NO than to come up with a solution...

Oh, I forgot, you have a solution: Scare everybody!

excon

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That pretty much sums it up.

So El you don't mind that right now an underwriter at an insurance company determine what procedures you get, where and when you get them, and most importantly, what you cannot get.

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So El you don't mind that right now an underwriter at an insurance company determine what procedures you get, where and when you get them, and most importantly, what you cannot get.

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See my posting about crony socialism.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

see my posting about crony socialism.

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What the hell does that have to do with a bureaucrat approving your medical procedure??