I do agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
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I do agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
Once again you've completely missed the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
No we don't, and thinking that we do label anyone who doesn't like Obama racist tells me more about you than it does about us. There is no cult, that's in your mind too. As been stated previously, the Republican model of trickle down doesn't work it only benefits the top 5 percent who also take their Bush/Republican extra tax savings and ship American jobs overseas. They invest in places and people outside of America.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
If the tax breaks go to the middle class and we restore the Reagan era tax rates to the rich (like Obama proposes), then more money stays in America in the hands of the middle class who will spend it in America.
McCain wants unfettered free markets, but we've seen what happens when we remove regulatory oversite of the free markets; hedge fund managers make 600 million dollars and pay only 15 percent tax. They do this fraudulently by bundling crap with other investments and now it's caught up with them and the Fed has to bail them out with our tax dollars to the tune of One Trillion or more. If that isn't tax relief for the rich, I don't know what is, and all those who profited from the unregulated Bush times go home richer than rich and don't have to pay the tax payers a single dime with the exception of their Bush supplied low tax rates.
Free markets are fine and Obama understands this, but unlike Bush/Republican ideology you can't have your free markets running on greed, corruption and fraud against the American people. If you swing too much to the right you get greed and corruption the same if you swing to far to the left. Obama and the Democrats are centrists who will let the good part of free market work well where it can, and oversee the part of free market that have been abused and led to the worst finanical crisis our country has seen since 1929 under the Bush/Republican/RightWing/Neocon/Conservative ideology.
McCain has no specifics how he will get us out of this mess, because he can't tell the American people that his ideology is the same as Bush's and that it will lead to more of the same. So him and Palin try and distract you with appeals to patriotism and attack Obama when it is McCain/Palin that are the greatest danger to this country because they are so tied to an ideology which doesn't work, America will cease to be the world's economic superpower and the gap between rich and poor will become so extreme that American's will suffer. Yet, this is exactly what Republican business owners want, they don't want to improve the lives of all American's they want cheaper labor so they can make more profit for themselves. Why do you think the minimum wage didn't rise for 10 years under a Republican congress?
I think you need to look at the issues, at least Obama supporters do. All you can do is accuse us of calling you racist. Yet, each any every Obama supporter I have met know the issues much more than you do.
I think you've been drinking the kool-aid of the right wing radio programs too much.
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I've read your posts. I could get more illumination out a key-chain flashlight. ;)
Because it is a good way to shut you up. Evil doesn't like to be drawn out into the light where it knows it will die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emland
Imagine that :
If you don't fall under the cult of personality of Obama or simply don't agree with his political agenda
You are a racist .
I love the depth of that logic .The depth of... lets say... Spike Lee
http://www.mofopolitics.com/2008/10/...a-preordained/Quote:
SPIKE LEE: I say, it's very simple. You have B.B.: Before Barack and A.B.: After Barack.
LEE: What he's done is historic. This coalition which he's gotten: black, white, Hispanic, Asian, gay, straight, whatever. It's come together, and this has never been done before. And I think this thing is, predeortained or whatever you want to call it. I'm not gonna say that it's God. But this is not a mistake this is happening now. I don't think it's a mistake it's happening, that he's here when this country is at its lowest in many, many years.
Tex, think of my answer in the context of what and who I actually replied to. Bobby said it was “factually true” in response to Emland’s question, “Why do people who don't fall under the cult of personality of Obama or simply don't agree with his political agenda get labeled as racists?” What the heck is someone supposed to say to something as outrageous and nonsensical as that?Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasParent
You’re assuming Obama is going to actually give the middle class a tax break. I don’t trust ANY politician when it comes to taxes, especially one with plans for a trillion dollars in new spending that wants to give tax breaks to people that pay no taxes.Quote:
If the tax breaks go to the middle class and we restore the Reagan era tax rates to the rich (like Obama proposes), then more money stays in America in the hands of the middle class who will spend it in America.
That’s totally made up, McCain (or any other politician that I know of) has never shown he wants “unfettered free markets.” In fact McCain co-sponsored legislation with Chuck Hagel “that would have required Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to adhere to responsible lending practices and loan-to-value standards” while Obama wrote letters.Quote:
McCain wants unfettered free markets, but we've seen what happens when we remove regulatory oversite of the free markets; hedge fund managers make 600 million dollars and pay only 15 percent tax. They do this fraudulently by bundling crap with other investments and now it's caught up with them and the Fed has to bail them out with our tax dollars to the tune of One Trillion or more. If that isn't tax relief for the rich, I don't know what is, and all those who profited from the unregulated Bush times go home richer than rich and don't have to pay the tax payers a single dime with the exception of their Bush supplied low tax rates.
Obama and the Democrats are centrists? Since when? How is the most liberal Senator in the Senate, the guy who “chose his friends very carefully” including Marxist professors, hung out with an unrepentant terrorist, partied with PLO sympathizers, mentored by a racist pastor and votes 100% in line with Planned Parenthood a centrist?Quote:
Free markets are fine and Obama understands this, but unlike Bush/Republican ideology you can't have your free markets running on greed, corruption and fraud against the American people. If you swing too much to the right you get greed and corruption the same if you swing to far to the left. Obama and the Democrats are centrists who will let the good part of free market work well where it can, and oversee the part of free market that have been abused and led to the worst finanical crisis our country has seen since 1929 under the Bush/Republican/RightWing/Neocon/Conservative ideology.
I’ve already shown elsewhere on this board that the “income inequality gap" has been closing, that wages don’t remain stagnant, and that the majority of households in America are in the top 3 income quintiles. I not only look at the issues, I look at the facts…and I don’t insult others the first time I interact with them. That says a whole lot more about you than it does us.Quote:
McCain has no specifics how he will get us out of this mess, because he can't tell the American people that his ideology is the same as Bush's and that it will lead to more of the same. So him and Palin try and distract you with appeals to patriotism and attack Obama when it is McCain/Palin that are the greatest danger to this country because they are so tied to an ideology which doesn't work, America will cease to be the world's economic superpower and the gap between rich and poor will become so extreme that American's will suffer. Yet, this is exactly what Republican business owners want, they don't want to improve the lives of all American's they want cheaper labor so they can make more profit for themselves. Why do you think the minimum wage didn't rise for 10 years under a Republican congress?
I think you need to look at the issues, at least Obama supporters do. All you can do is accuse us of calling you racist. Yet, each any every Obama supporter I have met know the issues much more than you do.
I think you've been drinking the kool-aid of the right wing radio programs too much.
If not for the light, there would be no shadow.
Originally Posted by Emland
Why do people who don't fall under the cult of personality of Obama or simply don't agree with his political agenda get labeled as racist?
I am voting for Obama and don't think that everyone that isn't voting for him is racist. But why is it that mostly everyone that isn't voting for him tend to think or say that black people are only voting for him because he is black? That isn't true because I know some that is doing the opposite. So what cult do these people fall under?
White Black Up Down Spam Shrimp
You have to live in the south to experience it I suppose. A conversation gets started at work, for instance, and political views get discussed and one person asks, "so who are you voting for?" If the answer is "McCain" it is not uncommon to hear "so, you admit you're a racist" and if the reply is "Bob Barr", you get "so, you're one of those kooks I hear about."
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Wrong. That came in subject after Marie's tongue-in-cheek reply and I was using that as an example to Emland's view as a misnomer. In other words, when those individuals say something as ignorant, as Barack is a closet Muslim, he's a communist, and anti-American, it is "factually true" that they are racists. Trying to dismiss racism and their remarks, without being labeled as racist, is a pacifist position that I don't hold to. Those ignorant/prejudice/racists often don't care for Barack's loving personality or agree with him on the issues. Whoop-te-do! It still doesn't make them any less racist.
As for your views in opposition to TexasParent, they are so short of reality. But I'll just touch on a few of your wrongful indiscretions then Texasparent can speak for her/himself. But remember Stevie, I know the truth. You voted for Dubya, not once, but twice in keeping those precious corporate execs bonuses safe. You need to stop crying about taxation when you are your own worse enemy. And don't try to crayfish and back into the middle of the creek acting like you all the sudden don't trust McCain either. That's what you said, "politicians." McCain had twenty-six years of passing gas and fiddle farting around with Washington insiders, while Barack's letters spoke of truer intentions. Let's see what happens when a younger man, Obama, is in the drivers seat. And oh G-d! I see the smear case supporters didn't eat enough crow in that last debate. McCain got slammed over that Bill Ayers nonsense on national TV. Are you suggesting that Barack is a Marxist? Please go there, my foot is itching. BTW nobody spends more time here crusading than you. I know you really think highly of yourself. But I've got news for you! You've insult educated people with your stated posts on a daily basis and for the most part the board just ignores your ego. A decade nearly passed before the minimum wage was increased. The wages paid too much of the lower and middle classes in our nation are not keeping up with the cost of living. Stay out of the liquor cabinet and get a grip.
"That came in subject after Marie's tongue-in-cheek reply and I was using that as an example to Emland's view as a misnomer."
That sounds like something Obama would say. I think these people are in a trance! Something is fishy here.
*SNAP* *SNAP* Snap out of it Bobby!
There's no place like home. There's no place like home.
Nah... I like to keep the Tin Man in check on the way to see Oz. You're correct though it will probably steamroll right over his head.
http://www.beyondtherainbow2oz.com/pic07tin-man.jpg
Bobby, at this point it's useless to try to get you to even see the facts of what you yourself said so have fun in your alternate reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
I'm aussie but I support him because he's saying that change is needed. It's all true, if we want to be a better community/state/country we have to go through change that will help us become better in the up coming future.
I'm 15 so I don't have a family
If only your ego would let you get some rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Now that's funny, you talking about someone else's ego. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
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