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Originally Posted by excon

Hello wrongwingers:

Now, I'm not a fellow who likes to pay taxes...... But, YOUR REPUBLICAN president, the esteemed dufus in chief, just GAVE away $700 BILLION or so, of YOUR tax dollars.

Don't you think you have to pay it back???? No, you don't, do you?

excon

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I think you got it wrong, it was your demo congress that did the giving away, including what looks like is going to be our next President ( Obama ). And they were just trying to stop the bleeding from a wound inflicted by your last President ( Clinton ).

And as far as paying it back I will not have to pay it back, it will be paid back by my and your grandchildren, if it is ever paid back at all.

Or it could be paid by China, then that would increase our debt to them enough so they could just do a takeover of this country for the money we owe them.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

Well, as long as we're divvying up the spoils, instead of paying back what we borrowed, I think the rich have enough, thank you very much.

And, nooooo. I don't think we should "spread it around", unless you think fixing that bridge you drive on every day is "spreading it around". But, of course, you guy's aren't speaking English right now. You're speaking political speak, where "spreading it around" is code for don't vote for the black guy.

excon

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Why can't you just let the race issue die a natural death. Each time it seem as though it could be losing ground someone like you gives it another breath of fresh air.

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

You blame the MSM for McCain ignorantly shooting his mouth off? Tom your point to defend a character "Joe the plumber," (on behalf of McCain) when he owes $1,182 in personal incomes taxes is a bit asinine. I said he owes taxes and you don't deny that fact. What makes it worse is the guy is a shade tree plumber that wants to own a business. Whoop-tee-do! Personally I'd rather have a professional plumber, or I'll just do it myself. In fact, according to how John McCain stressed "Joe the plumber" as example in the debate, I'm a plumber desiring entrepreneurship using those same standards. I've got to go. Peace out!

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So Joe has taxes to pay for .

He is not the only one ;)

Rangel says he won't quit House panel over tax dispute - CNN.com

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Rep. Charles Rangel, a New York Democrat, said Wednesday he will not step down as chairman of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee in the face of a call from the Republican leader in the House for him to do so.

Rangel has been under fire for failing to report income from a rental property he owns in the Dominican Republic.

He admitted Tuesday he had not paid tax on the income,.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

Even libertarians understand that government has to be paid for. But, as long as we don't have a FLAT tax, the burden to pay is shifted around for political expediency.

So, as long as politicians can manipulate taxes, so as to reward the richest of the rich, at the expense of the poorest of the poor, I'm all for picking that rich guys pocket - YES SIR.

But, in truth, we'd be just retrieving what was plundered, and I'm ALL for that. So, I'm not talking about TAXES. I'm talking about RESTITUTION.

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Have you any idea how "progressive" the tax rates are?


2007 Federal Tax Rate Schedules

The Tax Foundation - Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data

Open the attachment and under:

"Total Income Tax Shares, 1980-2006 (Percent of federal income tax paid by each group)"

For 2006 the bottom 50% paid 3 % of the country's income taxes, the top 50% paid 97%.

The top 25% paid 84% of the country's income taxes.

The economy must be fine. We keep printing money like, well, like I dodn't know what. No one in history has ever done it like this before except Germany. They ended up turning into a military state that tried to take over the world. Seems it had something to do with wheel barrows full of money not being enough to buy a loaf of bread or something. Sounds silly to me! That will never happen to us. We have gotten so good at printing money that when we print a few trillion more, the value of the dollar actually goes up. Now that is a trick worth knowing! But hey, as long as the rest of the world thinks the dollar is worth something, we should keep printing them. And when the dollar finally crashes, we can either create a whole new currency or just go cashless. Numbers in a computer are just as valuable. Easier to control too. No more of this "under the table" hanky panky. Then we will all pay our fair share of taxes because that is the patriotic thing to do.

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Originally Posted by inthebox

So Joe has taxes to pay for .

He is not the only one.

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These rebuttals are becoming even more asinine. McCain, in front of a live national audience would had better suited to have chosen myself, as an example. I don't owe back taxes and neither does most Americans. I certainly hope you don't either. ;)

What’s asinine is how Obama supporters have so suddenly changed their minds. When Gwen Ifill had an apparent conflict of interest in moderating the debate you guys told us it was the answers, not the questioner that mattered. Obama comes to a guy’s neighborhood so he asks him a question, Obama answered honestly for a change and now the questioner must be destroyed. What a bunch of hypocrites.

It doesn’t matter if Joe the Plumber owes a thousand bucks in back taxes, maybe he had a good reason, unexpected medical bills, car broke down, had to replace his heater and had to choose between heat and paying his taxes. Who knows? So what if he doesn’t have a plumbing license, for having an American dream of succeeding in business on his own instead of adhering to Obama’s collectivist dream of “economic justice” he’s being crucified. You people ought to be ashamed.

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

These rebuttals are becoming even more asinine. McCain, in front of a live national audience would had better suited to have chosen myself, as an example. I don't owe back taxes and neither does most Americans. I certainly hope you don't either. ;)

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Are you moralizing for Rangle - an elected official - chairman of the house ways and means?

If anyone should no about tax revenue and the law it should be him:rolleyes:

Inthebox, you boxed yourself in... again. John McCain used "Joe the Plumber" on issue, not Rangel. ;) :p

Steve, Gwen Ifil did a excellent job as moderator by most news commentators and campaigners accounts, both Republican and Democrat. Fifth graders can come up with better excuses than you. John McCain didn't win one debate out of three opportunities. Not one! When the maverick in that last debate chose to spend a fair portion of allotted time on "Joe the Plumber" (which turned out to be poor example) rather than just answer the questions, it's his own mistake. The "you people" didn't tell Joe not to pay his taxes, nor did we advise McCain to use him as an example on live national television. Next time you're in front of judge try screaming "I've been crucified," and see how that works out for you. :D :cool:

Joe the Plumber did America a valuable service. He exposed Obama's destroy capital agenda.

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Higher taxes on successful entrepreneurs (anyone earning over $250,000), higher taxes on capital gains, higher taxes on dividends, a possible raid on Americans' 401(k)s, a takeover of America's private health care industry, strict new limits on what CEOs can make, and the reimposition of the death tax.
Add it up, and Obama will usher in a new era in America — one where capital, the engine of our economic growth and success, is punished severely through the tax code. If Democrats win a filibuster-proof majority in Congress, it'll be the only form of capital punishment their party will support.

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IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily -- Capital Punishment#

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

Steve, Gwen Ifil did a excellent job as moderator by most news commentators and campaigners accounts, both Republican and Democrat.

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I said she did a fine job more than once, but again you miss, or rather ignore, the point.

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Fifth graders can come up with better excuses than you.

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And again you're back to insults to make your case.

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John McCain didn't win one debate out of three opportunities. Not one! When the maverick in that last debate chose to spend a fair portion of allotted time on "Joe the Plumber" (which turned out to be poor example) rather than just answer the questions, it's his own mistake.

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His own mistake? LOL, I guess you missed this post.

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The "you people" didn't tell Joe not to pay his taxes, nor did we advise McCain to use him as an example on live national television. Next time you're in front of judge try screaming "I've been crucified," and see how that works out for you.

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I'm sure if you really focus you can understand the simple point I made. Joe the Plumber didn't do anything to deserve the bashing he received.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I'm sure if you really focus you can understand the simple point I made. Joe the Plumber didn't do anything to deserve the bashing he received.

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Joe "the shade tree unlicensed plumber," didn't tell McCain to make him the focus. Granted on the surface Joe's no more bent than most Americans. However his profile didn't bring anything relative to the public attention or help McCain in the debate one iota. BTW as a registered Independent I was more than satisfied when I early voted for Barack Obama last Wednesday. McCain himself, and his campaign, has been a mistake making machine for months on in. Quite frankly I could go over a list of things the Republicans could had done to improve their stock from early on, but since Dubya's all but screwed our country I'd rather let them stew. The "George W. Bush" and "John S. McCain" Republicans are so polar opposite from the integrity of the Ronald Reagan Republicans that I have absolutely no interest or desire in helping the Grand Old Party (whoop-tee-do and fizzle). :cool: