Hey Speech I went to that link you provided and there was another link to a you tube video of a 12 year old girl and her aunt on Fox News who were in Georgia when the bombs started to drop. They said that they were running from the Georgian troops and the Russian troops helped them out. Then her aunt said this war is entirely Georgia's fault. Did I miss something?? Here is the link. YouTube - Fox News: 12 Year Old Girl Tells the Truth about Georgia

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Hey Speech I went to that link you provided and there was another link to a you tube video of a 12 year old girl and her aunt on Fox News who were in Georgia when the bombs started to drop. They said that they were running from the Georgian troops and the Russian troops helped them out. Then her aunt said this war is entirely Georgia's fault. Did I miss something??? here is the link. YouTube - Fox News: 12 Year Old Girl Tells the Truth about Georgia

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I don't think there is any dispute that Georgia attacked first in South Ossetia. I also don't think there is any doubt that what Condi said is true, "what Russia has done is well beyond anything that anyone could say is for the protection of those people and for those peacekeepers." Now, while Russia continues to ignore the ceasefire, it's a huge propaganda game (which this girl's aunt seems to be playing) being played out on the world stage with Putin as the chief propagandist.

Hey Progunr your obviously a whole lot late to this party. Obama and Dubya were on the same side of the issue for a week now, while "old white haired dude" McCain took a wrong detour because he listen to his neanderthal foreign advisor.

That's strange, I don't recall President Bush stating that we should let the United Nations resolve this conflict?

I'm pretty sure that he KNOWS about Russia's ability to Veto any resolution.

The Junior Senator however, seemed to lack this critical knowledge.

I'll run this by you in Seseme Street terms. One of these is not like the others:

A. Obama for diplomatic resolve, by any means UN inlcuded.

B. Dubya for diplomatic resolve, doesn't like UN, but needs Russia for leverage against Iran.

C. McCain guns a blazing "old white haired dude."



*The answer is "C." Of course, if you're an idiot, you might say "A" or "B", in which case your mental capacity is so seriously limited that you only qualify as a registered voter. :)

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

I'll run this by you in Seseme Street terms. One of these is not like the others:

A. Obama for diplomatic resolve, by any means UN inlcuded.

B. Dubya for diplomatic resolve, doesn't like UN, but needs Russia for leverage against Iran.

C. McCain guns a blazing "old white haired dude."



*The answer is "C." Of course, if you're an idiot, you might say "A" or "B", in which case your mental capacity is so seriously limited that you only qualify as a registered voter. :)

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You must watch too much Seseme Street.

Read my original post.

Do you see anything there that makes any comparison to anyone BUT Obama?

No, you don't.

In fact, the entire post is ONLY about the idiotic statement HE made.

I'm not sure what confused you in that post, but, somehow, big bird has led you in the wrong direction.

It's OK though, we all have those kind of days now and then.

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Originally Posted by progunr

You must watch too much Seseme Street.

Read my original post.

Do you see anything there that makes any comparison to anyone BUT Obama?

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Oscar the grouch would never k'vetched so much about the UN. You're original post, assumptions in a scenario, suggesting that would be the end all road block, is folly. Life and negotiations go beyond the UN. Obama and Bush were on the same side of the French president that negotiated the cease fire without use of the UN. John Wayne McCain and all his bluster had his campaign tangent spoiled, much like your suppositions in these silly anti-Obama posts. Reality is that the UN may be only needed or included in a lesser role here. Dubya needs Russia, at least temporarily, so just watch the chess match.

Georgia president signs cease-fire with Russia - Yahoo! News

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Oscar the grouch would never k'vetched so much about the UN. You're original post, assumptions in a scenario, suggesting that would be the end all road block, is folly. Life and negotiations go beyond the UN. Obama and Bush were on the same side of the French president that negotiated the cease fire without use of the UN. John Wayne McCain and all his bluster had his campaign tangent spoiled, much like your suppositions in these silly anti-Obama posts. Reality is that the UN may be only needed or included a lesser role here. Dubya needs Russia, at least temporarily, so just watch the chess match.

Georgia president signs cease-fire with Russia - Yahoo! News

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You really love this guy, don't you.

You can't even admit that his statement was foolish at best, inexperienced at least, and not the kind of thing a future potential president should have even suggested.

You'll defend him no matter what, even if you have to go off topic.

Have a great weekend.

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You really love this guy, don't you.

You can't even admit that his statement was foolish at best, inexperienced at least, and not the kind of thing a future potential president should have even suggested.

You'll defend him no matter what, even if you have to go off topic.

Have a great weekend.

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Compared to four years of McCain? You're darn right I love Obama. I didn't think it was possible, but McCain's such a disaster in the waiting, that it's makes me even like Bush a little more lately. You're UN scenario was hyperbole. That's why I gave you the link, which obviously was too much for you to digest. Your topic included "urging both sides to use restraint," was exactly what Obama and Bush wanted, not what the McCain campaign hoped for. Facts don't appear to have any relevance to you. Perhaps by the weekends end you won't be nearly as sore.

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Yes, I am talking about Barak Obama.

Just another one of those DUH!!! moments for him, and just more evidence that he does not have the knowledge or experience to be the leader of the United States.

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BTW Mr. "Duh" you're not even spelling Obama's first name correct. It's not "Barak"... it's Barack.

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I don't think there is any dispute that Georgia attacked first in South Ossetia

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Steve ; not really true.

This is the equivalent of the times Israel has "invaded " Gaza after rocket attacks from Gaza

Georgia has put up with all types of attacks from Russia since the 2003 Rose revolution including deporting hundreds of ethnic-Georgians from Russia,economic and cyber attacks.
Foreign Policy: The Kremlin’s Virtual Army


Going back even further ,there has been ongoing tension and bloodshed since 1992 when minority ethnic groups in South Ossetia and Abkhazia backed by the Ruskies began separatist wars to end Georgian rule, resulting in thousands of deaths. Ruskie "peacekeeping forces" deployed to Abkhazia and South Ossetia in 1994 and had been there since.

There were weeks of tension and low-level clashes preceding the Georgian offensive against Tskhinvali. The swiftness of the Russian invasion makes it clear that it was pre-planned ,and premeditated.
Proof positive of this is that last month the Ruskies held military exercises of the Southern Federal District inside North Ossetia called 'Caucasus Frontier 2008'
RIA Novosti - Russia - Russia begins military exercises in volatile N. Caucasus region

However this perception of "Georgian Aggression" is just what Ivan wanted the world to believe. Unfortunately I think President Bush was seduced by that perception and that delayed United States reactions (no it had nothing to do with his staying at the Olympics .It was what his State Dept was telling him about the situations... and as usual our CIA is MIA)

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Compared to four years of McCain?! You're darn right I love Obama. I didn't think it was possible, but McCain's such a disaster in the waiting, that it's makes me even like Bush a little more lately. You're UN scenario was hyperbole. That's why I gave you the link, which obviously was too much for you to digest. Your topic included "urging both sides to use restraint," was exactly what Obama and Bush wanted, not what the McCain campaign hoped for. Facts don't appear to have any relevance to you. Perhaps by the weekends end you won't be nearly as sore.





BTW Mr. "Duh" you're not even spelling Obama's first name correct. It's not "Barak"... it's Barack.

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Let it be known that it was McCain who predicted this action by Putin.

He had a better understanding and future outlook than even Bush, and dramatically better than Obama.

Say what you want about the man, HIS response to this situation has also been far better than either Bush or Obama.

It is the appeasement policies of Bush that have given Putin the courage to even take such action, and if Bush has been weak, one can only imagine what shape we would be in if it was Obama in his place.

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Steve ; not really true.

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I stand corrected. As always you're on top of things. :)

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Let it be known that it was McCain who predicted this action by Putin.

He had a better understanding and future outlook than even Bush, and dramatically better than Obama.

Say what you want about the man, HIS response to this situation has also been far better than either Bush or Obama.

It is the appeasement policies of Bush that have given Putin the courage to even take such action, and if Bush has been weak, one can only imagine what shape we would be in if it was Obama in his place.

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Huh? Weak? Wow! :eek: Never thought I'd hear that about the US with our two wars going on simultaneously. Reagan Republicans (and Dixiecrat's) would definitely disagree with your view that Bush gave Putin the courage to take such action. Do you think the Russians are so weak and have only conventional weaponry capability? After this past week I'm convinced that McCain's foreign advisor is behind all those gung-ho "maverick" commercials to whip up simpletons into a frenzy. McCain is becoming increasingly mentally unstable to serve the better interest of our country and what he needs to do is retire and not plunge our country, the world, into a hundred years of bloodshed and darkness.

Steve

Now the Ruskies are using their template in Georgia on the Ukraine

Russia 'distributing passports in the Crimea' - Telegraph

Really ; this is right out of Hitler's playbook. Amazingly the Europeans don't get it.

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Huh?! Weak?! Wow!! :eek: Never thought I'd hear that about the US with our two wars going on simultaneously. Reagan Republicans (and Dixiecrat's) would definitely disagree with your view that Bush gave Putin the courage to take such action. Do you think the Russians are so weak and have only conventional weaponry capability?! After this past week I'm convinced that McCain's foreign advisor is behind all those gung-ho "maverick" commercials to whip up simpletons into a frenzy. McCain is becoming increasingly mentally unstable to serve the better interest of our country and what he needs to do is retire and not plunge our country, the world, into a hundred years of bloodshed and darkness.

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Hey, at least McCain does not claim to have spoken to God, and he doesn't believe he is "the one" to unite and save the world.

His goal is to lead our Nation, not to further socialism, and become even weaker in our defense capabilities, or our war on terror.

I liked his response as to what to do about evil over the weekend. "Defeat it"!

Obama on the other hand, chose an answer that was not even one of the four choices to pick from. "Confront Evil"?

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Steve

Now the Ruskies are using their template in Georgia on the Ukraine

Russia 'distributing passports in the Crimea' - Telegraph

Really ; this is right out of Hitler's playbook. Amazingly the Europeans don't get it.

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Well, the Europeans not getting it is really not that amazing is it?

To speechless

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Hey Spit, when a youngun' jumps in with both feet and braggin' about being a national debater they shouldn't expect to be treated with kid gloves. But rather than sink my teeth into anyone, I'll just leave it at when has the UN been the answer to any crisis?

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First of all I can see that you are full of stupidity because for I didn't ask for a hand out just because my age. You haven't accomplished more than I have at your own age of 17. I can sit down and talk to you about anything and still come up on top no matter what you think about Obama he is going to win this years president election. For 1 American is tired of Republicans ing up everything. (Please Excuse my Language) 2. He does care about the lower class needs and understands that they are apart of this world to. 3. He is the only one America trust due to the polls. Last but not least he is so good at debating he knock Hilary out of the election. So elaborate on that thought...
And if anyone is ready to debate this I'm here...

"17 year old Master Mind"

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That's strange, I don't recall President Bush stating that we should let the United Nations resolve this conflict?

I'm pretty sure that he KNOWS about Russia's ability to Veto any resolution.

The Junior Senator however, seemed to lack this critical knowledge.

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“You have only to look at the map to see that nothing that France or we could do could possibly save Czechoslovakia from being overrun by the Germans, if they wanted to do it. I have therefore abandoned any idea of giving guarantees to Czechoslovakia or to the French in connection with her obligations to that country.”

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Would you care to say when, and where, and provide a link or transcript?

I'll stand by while you blow up your browser searching for something that's not there!

Given the status of you post's here, I'd be REAL careful who you refer to as "stupid".