It would take Ronald Reagan resurrecting from the dead. Come November if the Clinton's divisive actions, as displayed in this primary thus far hasn't destroyed the Democratic party, and our nation's will to vote, McCain will lose.
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It would take Ronald Reagan resurrecting from the dead. Come November if the Clinton's divisive actions, as displayed in this primary thus far hasn't destroyed the Democratic party, and our nation's will to vote, McCain will lose.
It's funny how outsiders are always telling us we need to mind our own business while sticking their nose in ours.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
As opposed to not allowing the American people the chance to see what's really behind the image of the Democratic contenders? It's quite satisfying to see the media's coronation of Obama didn't quite go the way they'd hoped... and that is a worthy goal.Quote:
Of course you do, that helps you achieve *your* goals.
I don't know what you're looking at but all seems to be going well for the guy. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
My how short your memory. It was just a few weeks ago you were asking the moderators to intervene on Obama's behalf. He may be ahead, but he's bruised pretty good. The media had hoped to slip him in under the radar - that's how Democrats win these days, Trojan horse campaigns - but now he's being scrutinized and has rightfully taken quite a few hits. I'll bet you remember them :DQuote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Just one point of interjection to clarify before your mistaken chronology of events from the Republican gospel is swallowed by the sheep. The Democratic party, being propelled by the media, had pretty much settled in on the coronation of Hillary Clinton long before Barack Obama became nationally recognized as a household name. When Barack became potent in the race the Clinton's all but presumed he was a flash in the pan. Thus the Republicans bandwagon on rhetoric and the Muslim satire. After the media caught wind of Barack and bellyaching compliments of Hillary, the witch hunt was then spurred on by the Republicans. However, to his credit, Obama has since withstood more than either candidate "Hillary Clinton," or "John McCain" by far. John McCain, if not for Clinton's divisive ploy, should have his coronation party cancelled in November; bring your box of kleenex.
In the last 7 state contests he has won 2 and Hillary 5 .She will most likely sweep the remaining 3 giving her a 8 -2 run since mid-Feb.Quote:
don't know what you're looking at but all seems to be going well for the guy
I can't recall a nominee losing strength as his nomination becomes inevidible.
So you're saying she has a good chance of winning the nomination?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
She hasn't spent millions of her own money if she didn't have a chance. Look for her to challenge on the convention floor,or the rules committee ,or the seating committee or if necessary the courts. Don't forget the Democrats love to challenge election results in court.
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Originally Posted by tomder55
1.) Obama has won three of the last seven contests. Also five of the last nine or six out of the last eleven if you want to count the split in Texas between primary and causcus.
2.) From all indications either Obama will win two out of the last three contests or Hillary will win two of the three remaining contests, not a sweep for either candidate.
3.) And this is a biggie so pay close attention: Obama has won 30 out of the last 48 contests, excluding Michigan and Florida due to rule violation.
Iowa caucuses Obama 27
New Hampshire primary Clinton 9
Michigan primary DQ
Nevada caucuses Clinton 11
South Carolina primary Obama 31
Florida primary DQ
Alabama primary Obama 27
Alaska caucuses Obama 9
Arizona primary Clinton 31
Arkansas primary Clinton 27
California primary Clinton 203
Colorado caucuses Obama 36
Connecticut primary Obama 26
Delaware primary Obama 9
Georgia primary Obama 61
Idaho caucuses Obama 15
Illinois primary Obama 104
Kansas caucuses Obama 23
Massachusetts primary Clinton 55
Minnesota caucuses Obama 48
Missouri primary Obama 36
New Jersey primary Clinton 59
New Mexico primary Clinton 14
New York primary Clinton 139
North Dakota caucuses Obama 8
Oklahoma primary Clinton 24
Tennessee primary Clinton 40
Utah primary Obama 14
Louisiana primary Obama 34
Nebraska caucuses Obama 16
Washington caucuses Obama 53
Maine caucuses Obama 15
D.C. primary Obama 11
Maryland primary Obama 42
Virginia primary Obama 54
Hawaii caucuses Obama 14
Wisconsin primary Obama 42
Ohio primary Clinton 75
Rhode Island primary Clinton 13
Texas primary Clinton 65
Texas caucuses Obama 38
Vermont primary Obama 9
Wyoming caucuses Obama 7
Mississippi primary Obama 20
Pennsylvania primary Clinton 85
Indiana primary Clinton 38
North Carolina primary Obama 67
West Virginia primary Clinton 20
Kentucky primary Clinton 37
Oregon primary Obama 29
She has plenty of her own money to donate. If that scenario plays out it will be the recipe for the end of Hillary Clinton's career. In fact, I heard news commentators and politico talking heads say yesterday that they already expect Bill to give a damage control speech to the DNC after his wife loses the nomination to save his own legacy (whatever that was supposed to be now) that has taken a hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I can't wait for November 5th to get here. I can't even look at the letters C M or O with out thinking the word is Clinton Obama or McCain. It is really starting to mess me up at work I was reading a work order and the First word of a sentence is Cliffton and I automatically thought it said Clinton.
The liberal extremist against the white old war hero. Don King would have a field day. Surely his endorsement must be highly sought amongst the candidates?
And who is Big Brown endorsing? He's in New York this week so my guess is Hillary! But given his name perhaps he is going for Obama! Who knows?
Hes not losing support, he just doesn't have as much supporters in the states he's going to now.
The Times West Virginian - Clinton shows strength in Appalachia
The “largely working class Democrats of central Appalachia have a long history of empathy for unions, cultural conservatism (including patriotism, loyalty, fairness and concern for security) and economic issues facing families.”
*** notice patriotism, cultural conservatism and security, not Obama's strong points. [ or at least Clinton is stronger ]
“In that regard, the Clintons — and one can not separate the appeal of Bill from that of Hillary — represent familiar cultural values,” he said.
“The Clintons have also been better than Obama in identifying with the 'us vs. them' perspective of class that is a very powerful value in Appalachia.”
*** Obama's pastor puts Appalachia as "them"
Obama is having trouble appealing to “the local, family, and place-based concerns of rural voters.”
*** faith, gun ownership, respect for life.
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Originally Posted by BABRAM
Thanks for the list:
Notice among Obama's losses
California
New York
Texas
Pennsylvania
Ohio
This contest would be over if he carried any of those states, and in the general election when winner takes all the electoral votes, these losses show that either he is not as strong a candidate or Clinton is not as weak a candidate or both.
Actually Texas was not that much of a net loss because Obama won the caucus and lost the open primary, that BTW permited the Republicans to vote in the Democrats race. That will not happen in the general election. California and New York will be in play for any Democrat come the general election. In fact Kerry won both states in 2004 and that should tell you something. Penn and Ohio is probably in the loss column in the general election. But overall you're premise is correct about the primary being over if Obama would had carried the majority of those five states. In fact California alone would had put him over the totals, as of today. Of course it's no revelation that if Hillary could had carried about ten other states, that she has lost, the circumstance would had been favorable for her, but she didn't. Overall it's obviously been a close race, although Obama has more delegates and has won at about a 2 to 1 contest ratio.Quote:
Originally Posted by inthebox
WHY is she spending her OWN money? Obama isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Think like a 60-year-old woman and you will realize why she is playing this out.
The magic man of the teleprompter is slowly losing steam due to his horrible gaffes and inexperience finally being highlighted by the Clinton machine.
Wondergirl
Yes Obama has done amazing things with fund raising . But we have seen many times before where that does not equate into electoral success. The new issue of Atlantic Monthly has an essay about the people who are running his net fundraising efforts. Their work is truly groundbreaking .
You alluded to the large turnout at his rally's . In Portland part of the reason for the large audience was that a popular local band played a free concert before he spoke.
His campaign has been so well organized and so well run that that bodes well for his organizational skills as president. As relates to his campaign staff, he definitely knows how to put people to work and inspire them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
So what were the reasons for all the other huge turnouts?? Bands and door prizes at all the others? He consistently has been able to gather large crowds--all on his own. And he's very personable too on a one-to-one basis.Quote:
You alluded to the large turnout at his rally's . In Portland part of the reason for the large audience was that a popular local band played a free concert before he spoke.
Yeah and one by one they keep disappearing...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Seems there are a lot of starstruck libs out there, maybe just hoping to get a bottle of water thrown their way or or be called "sweetie?" Perhaps they like the idea of being puppets in his fiefdom, ready and willing to submit to his "demands."Quote:
So what were the reasons for all the other huge turnouts?? Bands and door prizes at all the others? He consistently has been able to gather large crowds--all on his own. And he's very personable too on a one-to-one basis.
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"He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism . . . that you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed." -Michelle Obama
Or maybe their only hope is in the Obamassiah to fix their bitter, gun totin' broken souls?Quote:
"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times . . . and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK. That's not leadership. That's not going to happen." -Barack Obama
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