He said nothing of what you mention. Read the quoted again: "...and reminded ABC news that the U.S. military in Iraq and Afghanistan volunteered for duty"Quote:
Originally Posted by George_1950
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He said nothing of what you mention. Read the quoted again: "...and reminded ABC news that the U.S. military in Iraq and Afghanistan volunteered for duty"Quote:
Originally Posted by George_1950
I would have to say that the MSM like ABC news is giddy over this milestone . Cheney did say they are volunteers, but he did not mean ;or said it in a way that insinuates that their lives are expendable and meaningless.
“the United States has an “absolute obligation” to remain in Iraq long enough to make it a success.”...“The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster,”.”It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died. . . . It would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective.”
(Obama 2004)
Hello tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
To say that the MSM is happy about 4,000 dead Americans is about as outrageous a statement as you've ever made here. Assuming you don't think 4,000 dead neighbors is bad, I'm sure you'll be happy with John McCain's 100 years of war. You're right, 4,000 dead is going to be NOTHING compared to what McCain has in mind.
Furthermore, Cheney meant exactly what you say he didn't.
excon
^^ excon said it perfectly.
Iraq was off the radar until this milestone approached... why ? Because all the news coming out of Iraq was good. My statement is not outrageous at all. I have watched the news coverage and read the press.
iraq - Search results for iraq - CNN.comQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
You're funny tom but not when you try to pass off the bullcrap.
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
It WAS off the radar, until we realized that 4,000 dead Americans isn't worth what you perceive as good news from Iraq.
The outrageousness of your statement is that you think people like Keith Olbermann is HAPPY that 4,000 American kids have lost their lives. It's NEWS. It's his JOB to put it out there. To say he's HAPPY about it is outrageous.
I watch the news too.
So?
excon
NK what I said is true . All you are showing is anything CNN picked up on the wire; Not what was on their broadcasts .
Did any of you actually read the article NK quoted or watch the interview on that page? There was absolutely nothing dismissive in Cheney's words and shame on all of you who contend - either dishonestly or ignorantly - that he did.
He goes on to call this all volunteer force a "tremendous national asset." Honestly people, to think Cheney is dismissive of the troops and their sacrifice is asinine.Quote:
"It obviously brings home I think for a lot of people the cost that's involved in the global war on terror in Iraq and Afghanistan. It places a special burden obviously on the families, and we recognize, I think — it's a reminder of the extent to which we are blessed with families who've sacrificed as they have. The president carries the biggest burden, obviously, he's the one who has to make the decision to commit young Americans, but we are fortunate to have a group of men and women, the all-volunteer force, who voluntarily put on the uniform and go in harm's way for the rest of us, and we wish nobody ever lost their life. But unfortunately that's one of those things that go with living in the world we live in. Sometimes you have to commit military force and when you do there are casualties. "
Nah, you're right, Cheney is a good guy who looks out for others.
Hello Steve:
Yes, I did read the quote. It's outrageous!
He has the balls to say that the president has a bigger burden than the parents whose children were KILLED.
UNREAL!
He thinks the troops are an asset, OK, but his meaning is clear. Since they VOLUNTEERED, it's THEIR fault they died, not his.
UNREAL!
excon
Come on ex, you said he was "dismissive" and he most certainly was not. He first mentioned the "special burden" on the families and how we are "blessed with families who've sacrificed as they have." Noting they are volunteers emphasizes the sacrifice, it doesn't diminish it - they know these men and women didn't have to serve. Bush and Cheney both know that and have praised their bravery and sacrifice many, many times.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Cheney also said "You regret every casualty, every loss. The president is the one that has to make that decision to send young men and women into harm's way. It never gets any easier." That sounds nothing like "Since they VOLUNTEERED, it's THEIR fault they died, not his."
Look, even I disagree that Bush carries the bigger burden than the families but he was not "dismissive." But right or wrong, to say he is " But right or wrong, to say he is " of their sacrifice is dishonest. Perhaps he was just thinking about what the left has been reminding us of for the past 5 years, that Bush is responsible for all of these deaths... that is a rather large burden.
So why did he refuse to allow photos of soldiers' caskets to be publicized?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Because he doesn't want the photos to become more fodder for the gleeful media and propaganda for the anti-war opposition ? Because he is showing sensitivity and respect for the privacy of the family members ?Quote:
So why did he refuse to allow photos of soldiers' caskets to be publicized?
Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace.
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Operation Enduring Freedom - Trans Sahara 2007 - present
Here's a little publicized fact Wondergirl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
THIS Bush obviously did not establish the policy.Quote:
Under a policy adopted in 1991, the Pentagon bars news organizations from photographing caskets being returned to the United States, saying publication of such photos would be insensitive to bereaved families.
Weird:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Body of 2nd son killed in Iraq returned - USATODAY.com
Political Muscle : Los Angeles Times : California Nears 300 Dead in Iraq War
A painful farewell to a fallen Marine - The Boston Globe
What's weird, NK, that photos of the caskets of fallen soldiers are now being shown? Photos began to be released in 2005 as the result of a lawsuit.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
It is curious how folks perceive and react to events. I was reading a Time/Life book that included pictures of the Arizona just after the Pearl Harbor bombing. The legend said that the U.S. government (FDR) waited a year before releasing the photos. "Modern" warfare is said to have begun with the U.S. Civil War, with "unconditional surrender" and all. I wonder what the good folks in the Northern states would have said about Honest Abe if they had seen TV news about the Union Army burning its way from Atlanta to Savannah, and from Charleston to Charlotte; the path of destruction was supposedly 100 miles wide. I would suppose it was more destructive than Hurricane Katrina; fewer lives taken, but more destructive than the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There is perspective and context to every event; does the American government bear responsibility for loss of life in Iraq? President Bush, V-President Cheney, and the Congress haven't killed anyone. In my view, most have been murdered by the opposition.
Let me lay it out for you George. The only difference is that our U.S. Soldiers believe they are doing the right thing. They are "patriotic." They, unlike a growing number of Americans, still believe the Mafia that has infiltrated our government. You know, the Bush Cartel.
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