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Originally Posted by SkyGem

Don't fool yourself. Nothing is "old" news in hot politics! Let's just let the facts speak for itself as this issue continues to unwind and prove to be a revelation for all Americans. Why the "liberal media" has not addressed the Wright issue is what matters most imho. When someone like Obama stays with a church like Wright's for 20 years and doesn't get out while the going is good is beyond me. However, now when the heat is on with the expose' of Wright and his hate-filled speech of America, suddenly Obama is conveniently "distancing" himself from him. Ummm, better give some thought to that! Could the fact that he listened to Wright for so long a time have contributed to Obama not wanting to place his hand over his heart when the Pledge of Allegiance is being said? Or his not wanting to wear an American flag pin? Enough said. Neither Hillary nor McCain would do these things that seriously hurt America and all patriotic Americans.

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Liberal media? Are you a Rush Windbag missionary? Really! Both CNN and Fox networks have been on Obama like white on rice. Hell there's days I don't want to say the pledge of allegiance either. I hate politicians that want to fake their feelings and gloss over reality. Maybe we should change the pledge of allegiance to the pledge of recession. There's some days I don't even try to fool myself. I just think what the hell happened to my America... it's now the land of ignorance and blabber mouth Republican commentators. Oh! At three o'clock in the morning and someone gets a call, I sure don't want Hillary answering that phone. She's going to be busy trying figure out where her husband's hiding anyway. And dialing up McCain will only rack up long distance charges, his residency will be in Iraq for the next one hundred years. I sure hope he does the patriotic thing and moves there even if he doesn't win the presidency. Go McCain, go.

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Originally Posted by SkyGem

Don't fool yourself. Nothing is "old" news in hot politics! Let's just let the facts speak for itself as this issue continues to unwind and prove to be a revelation for all Americans. Why the "liberal media" has not addressed the Wright issue is what matters most imho. When someone like Obama stays with a church like Wright's for 20 years and doesn't get out while the going is good is beyond me. However, now when the heat is on with the expose' of Wright and his hate-filled speech of America, suddenly Obama is conveniently "distancing" himself from him. Ummm, better give some thought to that! Could the fact that he listened to Wright for so long a time have contributed to Obama not wanting to place his hand over his heart when the Pledge of Allegiance is being said? Or his not wanting to wear an American flag pin? Enough said. Neither Hillary nor McCain would do these things that seriously hurt America and all patriotic Americans.

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You really believe all those scam emails that are circulating? I thought you were smarter than that.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

You really believe all those scam emails that are circulating? I thought you were smarter than that.

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Its sad when we are proven wrong isn't it.

Still you did not answer my question about black liberation theology that Rev Wright preaches ;which is much different;more contemporary than the black theology that you say I don't understand. OF course the black church has always been rooted in a sort of political activism .There really was not choice but to organize politically from the pulpit.

To understand it you have to understand the teachings of Rev Wright's mentors James Hal Cone and Dwight Hopkins .(when interviewed by Sean Hannity Rev Wright continuosly mentioned James Cone and Hopkins ) Black liberation theology is rooted in racism as much as any Ayrian "church" .

Bobby ; Both Jew and Christian believe that the worse things that have happened to us is part of God's plan even ifwe do not understand God's purpose. Cone et al reject that argument. They think either God is with them or against them and have created a separate God who fulfills their needs.

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Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.

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James Cone.

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In the New Testament, Jesus is not for all, but for the oppressed, the poor and unwanted of society, and against oppressors... Either God is for black people in their fight for liberation and against the white oppressors, or he is not

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God is for the oppressed only .

The question is ;how does black liberation theology influence Obama ? If he is this uniter he claims to be I do not understand how he can square that with a faith that is rooted in the separation and frankly the hate of one race.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Still you did not answer my question about black liberation theology that Rev Wright preaches ;which is much different;more contemporary than the black theology that you say I don't understand. OF course the black church has always been rooted in a sort of political activism .There really was not choice but to organize politically from the pulpit.

To understand it you have to understand the teachings of Rev Wright's mentors James Hal Cone and Dwight Hopkins .(when interviewed by Sean Hannity Rev Wright continuosly mentioned James Cone and Hopkins ) Black liberation theology is rooted in racism as much as any Ayrian "church" .


James Cone.

Here is another snippet from Cone


God is for the oppressed only .

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I can just see you trying to to teach Black Theology. A class room full of African-Americans look up at the old white guy professor as they scratch their heads saying amongst themselves, "being separate from white Christian slave owners that beat us and raped our women, is a bad thing?!" Again Tom you're not understanding the fact that "Black Theology" and "Wrights personal views affixed to the theology" are apples and oranges. This is almost as silly as those whom deny the Holocaust. They are known history revisionist. Again your proving my earlier point that Republican Christians are less likely to understand the African-American communities, than their religious peers in Democrat Christians. Just another reason why most blacks vote Democrat.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

The question is ;how does black liberation theology influence Obama?

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I hope it influenced him greatly. Obama was a civil lawyer. I respect the reasoning of Black Theology, it's based on social issues that lead to eventual construction. What ignorant Caucasian "Republican" Fox news commentators like Sean Hannity do not understand the difference between Black theology and Wrights personal views. Hell even that Republican black news commentators understood. See this is how educated people function in life. BTW Obama re-addressed this for the umpteenth time yesterday. Hannity appears more bitter lately than an old white geezer plantation owner that just got news of the proclamation of emancipation.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

If he is this uniter he claims to be I do not understand how he can square that with a faith that is rooted in the separation and frankly the hate of one race.

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No you didn't? Well I had to read that twice! You did! That took some gumption to try and slip that one by me. Obama is now a racist in your view? Obama genetics reads like the United Nations. The guy has no hate towards any race. One side of his family is a white as yours. You're desperate remarks are becoming less reasonable than palatable.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Both Jew and Christian believe that the worse things that have happened to us is part of God's plan even ifwe do not understand God's purpose. Cone et al reject that argument. They think either God is with them or against them and have created a separate God who fulfills their needs.

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That's exactly why Black Thoeology came about. Black men questioned their white "proclaimed Christian" slave owners about equality of being human. Those white slave owners were not serving G-d, they were serving themselves.

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I can understand that, but it's a church, in the US, not a monk monastery in Tibet. Which BTW monks are not so quite now-in-days. Black churches have had more challenges than predominately non-black churches considering issues in society. OK. I'm getting the idea here that African-American churches and Jewish shuls have more in common with social issues than other Christian congregations.

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I understand that blacks have had more challenges, no doubt, but this 2008, not 1968. I also think there is a difference between addressing social issues and political rants. Of course we address social issues, do you think our kids go to church and not hear messages about sex, dating, depression, drugs, abortion, etc. Or that we don't address alcoholism, marriage, divorce, violence, domestic abuse, and yes, racism? Of course we do, we address the physical, emotional, spiritual and even financial aspects - we minister to the needs of the people. And that is our purpose, to love, minister, heal.

There are also parachurch organizations that address homelessness, racism, equality, rights, legal issues, etc. Are they mentioned from the pulpit? Of course, we can't support them if we don't know they exist or what their mission is. Does a presentation by CareNet mean we're getting political? Not necessarily. Do white churches get political? Absolutely, as do individuals within the church, but when I say "we" I mean my church and I stand by what I said the first time, "we" go there to worship and meet the needs of the people - we don't rant about Bill and Monica and government conspiracies.

What's ironic is just when the left has celebrated the alleged demise of conservative evangelical influence in politics, and after 8 years of slamming Bush and his mixture of religion and politics - we're supposed to have understanding toward Obama, not concern ourselves with how his faith and his pastor may influence his politics and cheer the defense of his relationship with the man. I see a tremendous double standard here, Bobby.

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What's ironic is just when the left has celebrated the alleged demise of conservative evangelical influence in politics, and after 8 years of slamming Bush and his mixture of religion and politics - we're supposed to have understanding toward Obama, not concern ourselves with how his faith and his pastor may influence his politics and cheer the defense of his relationship with the man. I see a tremendous double standard here, Bobby.

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To be perfectly honest, other than the fact that Bush targeted the Bible Belt heavily in both elections, I'm not sure what personal view of Christianity he understands. I hear him use innuendo about faith and G-d occasionally in speeches. At one time I think he referenced he heard from G-d concerning war. Personally I think he hears from himself; some of his decisions have proved disastrous.

Bobby I keep on trying differentiate between black theology and black liberation theology .I showed thje difference and you are unwilling to see it. Instead you justify anything the loon Wright says based on some kind of historical injustice that is completely besides the point.

I have decided to unsubscribe to all these Obama postings related to his pastor and his participation in this racist church. Obama is trying to be the President of all the people .My advice to him would be to disassociate himself to this because as his speech proved yesterday ;he is more than willing to throw his white grandma under the bus to cater to a narrow constituency .

I wonder if Obama knows about the New Black Panther Party page of my.BarackObama? You can view their 10 Point Platform here.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Bobby I keep on trying differentiate between black theology and black liberation theology .I showed thje difference and you are unwilling to see it. Instead you justify anything the loon Wright says based on some kind of historical injustice that is completely besides the point.

I have decided to unsubscribe to all these Obama postings related to his pastor and his participation in this racist church. Obama is trying to be the President of all the people .My advice to him would be to disassociate himself to this because as his speech proved yesterday ;he is more than willing to throw his white grandma under the bus to cater to a narrow constituency .

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Tom, you can unsubscribe if you like. It's nothing personal, we just disagree. IMO Obama is very educated and brings a broader understanding that some are not yet willing to accept. Maybe our society is not fully ready and obviously he has his detractors. I like him though and if he doesn't become our next president, so be it.

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NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY represents Freedom, Justice, and Peace for all of Mankind. Welcome to the Official Website of The New Black Panther Party for Self Defense

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And your point would be?

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It was a simple question. Does he know? Does he care? Is he proud of their endorsement or will he distance himself, renounce their platform and banish them from his website? I'm curious, aren't you?

Huh? Does John McCain know about the KKK or a gillion other extreme groups? Pinch me! Are these real questions?

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It was a simple question. Does he know? Does he care? Is he proud of their endorsement or will he distance himself, renounce their platform and banish them from his website? I'm curious, aren't you?

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I am content to wait and see what happens as this looks like a public forum, as anyone can join. Free publicity if you have a cause.

Join the Network

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Huh?! Does John McCain know about the KKK or a gillion other extreme groups? Pinch me! Are these real questions?

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LOL, Bobby, read the question. Has the KKK endorsed McCain and joined the McCainSpace online community? As far I know they haven't, unlike the New Black Panther Party which has endorsed Obama and joined the my.Barack.com online community. I just wonder if Obama knows that and welcomes their endorsement. After this past week he might want to look into that.

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Instead you justify anything the loon Wright says based on some kind of historical injustice that is completely besides the point.

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Sounds like what you guys do with Mr Bush.

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I have decided to unsubscribe to all these Obama postings related to his pastor and his participation in this racist church. Obama is trying to be the President of all the people .My advice to him would be to disassociate himself to this because as his speech proved yesterday ;he is more than willing to throw his white grandma under the bus to cater to a narrow constituency .

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Your just taking your bat and ball and going home because Bobby is giving you an ar$e whooping and you don't like it! Come on Tom, your better than that. Your one of the best here at making your point. Just because others may be making a better one doesn't mean you have to run!

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Originally Posted by Skell

Your just taking your bat and ball and going home because Bobby is giving you an ar$e whooping and you dont like it! Come on Tom, your better than that. Your one of the best here at making your point. Just because others may be making a better one doesnt mean you have to run!

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In your opinion; my opinion is much different:

Racism is itself a central doctrine in traditional Judaism and Black Liberation Theology…the breathtaking arrogance of both.

EDIT: I will add Islam to that.

Add any religion to that as far as I'm concerned.

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Your about 5 threads too late! Keep up!

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I am keeping up. This matter will simply NOT go away, it can't. It's simply too important for the American people to know and understand about Obama. He may try hiding behind sheep's clothing at this point but he can't deny staying with the good Rev. for 20 years and hearing him espouse his hateful rhetoric and not leaving until just recently, that is, if he even really did that. It's not something one can say... aww, the little child didn't know any better. Obama opened this door by not wanting to walk out on Wright while he still had the chance and *denounce* him for his anti-American stance. Instead, he had him as his Spiritual Advisor until he was CAUGHT by the media! And now, he wants us to believe that he is so against what Wright stood up for and he supported for all these years? Guess this is the kind of CHANGE He Was Talking About that He Wants for Us to TRULY BELIEVE IN in order to try to pull the wool over our eyes! Close, but no cigar! It's called Be With Him Until You Get Caught, Then Attempt to Disown Him and Hope the Voters Are Naïve Enough to Believe It. No doubt about that. He was CAUGHT -- no denying the facts from now on for Obama. Obama Has Got To Go! He is bad for America and the more conversation we have about this, the more people will realize why OBAMA NEEDS TO GO!

Now, there are further controversies surrounding Obama. Just go to:

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We don't need a man like this in the White House. Think of our children should he be sitting in the White House one day, say about eight years from now *if* people let him. Children tend to emulate the President. Just for a moment imagine them going to school the very next day and not holding their hand to their heart during the Pledge of Allegiance because they see Obama refuses to do it or read that he refused while running for office. And for a man running for President to say he cannot dismiss Wright as a friend seeing that he has said such bad and condemning things against America, our country? A proud, patriotic American who Loves and Believes in his country would have run like heck the moment that preacher started preaching hate against this country and never turned back! No doubt about it. But that can only speak VOLUMES for this man and Obama who follows him like a lost little puppy.

Do you have something else besides what's been run over and over? If you do bring it for all to see.