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Originally Posted by N0help4u

Obama says he is shocked that his Pastor preaches racist anti American things.
A. Think he must of missed those few days going to church?
B. Rarely went to church?
C. Pastor really only did give a few of those sermons and managed to keep it out of all his other sermons?
D. Other? your opinion here

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He loved to claim and use his Christian fellowship and church membership when it was good for him, but when people started looking to close at that church now he has to back off from them.

So now he is a christian, but just not a good one , since he don't pay attention to what the pastor is saying. ** well maybe he is a normal christian.

But there are several groups that teach the "Black" version of bibical history. There are some of course like one here in Atlanta that even teaches that all white people are of Satan, and that the real "black Jesus" has not come yet, but will come to save all blacks from the white oppression.
**** great chance of any fellowship with them??

But he has a full responsibility to choose from 100's of chruches, and he picked that one. A person normally goes to one for varoius reason, either this one gave him a political push and edge by connections in the church and in the Black leadership of political areas. Or he really believes in what they teach ( or both)

I don't have a problem with them preaching black version. I have been to many black churches and great.
I don't even care if they teach Jesus was black. We teach Jesus was white to me same difference basically.
BUT I have heard the white people are of satan that is a small part of what worries me.
Cause it only gets worse there on out and with the anti-American stuff!

I personally believe Jesus was neither black or white but what they call 'olive skin' Jew.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello N0:

It's my opinion that you're not gonna find a black preacher in THIS country who DOESN'T believe that stuff.......

So, YOU think they should be saying the same things in black churches as whitey does in his church???? That shows just how out of touch you right wingers are.

excon

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Gee, I feel so naïve in believing that MLK held views much different from those of Rev. Wright.

The point is that if McCain was a member of an organization that included David Duke, he would be skewered on the front page of the NYT, as well as most other media. Do we have a double standard here?

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Originally Posted by Dr D

Gee, I feel so naive in believing that MLK held views much different from those of Rev. Wright.

The point is that if McCain was a member of an organization that included David Duke, he would be skewered on the front page of the NYT, as well as most other media. Do we have a double standard here?

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I wish it were the days of JFK, MLK!

You could write volumes on political double standards and it WOULD favor the Dems.

To be quite honest, I saw the Preacher in question on TV. I couldn't even make out what he was saying. Just hollering and screaming. But I bet he has his quite moments too.
Where he speaks of God's love.

Yes, birds of a feather sometimes flock together, but not always. If this were Hillary, or John, I'd want them not to be defined by who they associate with, but more, who they are and their views.

Truth is, if Barrack is the worst ever, and wants nothing but bad for our country (which I doubt), we can impeach him, can't we?

I think we as Americans should demand to only listen to the issues. Period. There are more of us then them, we actually hold the power, and we give our power to them, with our vote.

Amen and Alleluliah.

Thing is that HE wants to be President and the issue is IF he is pro American and knew he wanted to be President why would he ''associate'' with an anti American Pastor?
I would be looking for another flock long ago so that nobody could associate me with the Pastor if my aspirations were to be President someday.

Obama used Black liberation theology as a means to an end…to become an elected official and that carried him to a seat in the senate. Black liberation theology represents the “Change, unity, and Hope” he consistently remindes everyone about in his speeches i.e. the liberation of oppressed (economic, psychological, and political repression) people. Wright compared Jesus and Obama…. Christ became a member of the oppressed in order to promise them freedom and hope.

The message from Christ however was not liberation in this life, but salvation unto another life.

Obama and his Black liberation theology cannot bring liberation, it can only bring more division.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

Obama and his Black liberation theology cannot bring liberation, it can only bring more division.

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Odd you say that since I've rarely seen more people dedicated to divisiveness that the neocon group here.

Also, when was the last time that a pastor influenced a president's decisions?
Is this really all you guys have? The guy's pastor is dodgy so that's a deal-breaker? Haha, you guys are running scared that he's going to run against "let's stay in Iraq 100 years" McSame.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Odd you say that since I've rarely seen more people dedicated to divisiveness that the neocon group here.

Also, when was the last time that a pastor influenced a president's decisions?
Is this really all you guys have? The guy's pastor is dodgy so that's a deal-breaker? Haha, you guys are running scared that he's gonna run against "let's stay in Iraq 100 years" McSame.

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Absolutely everything in you response is a “Red Herring”…Not relevant to my post.

What another group, or pastor does is not relevant.

Obama is done for, finished, kaput, he will never get elected.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

Obama is done for, finished, kaput, he will never get elected.

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You're so open-minded. :D

This whole thread is a red herring.

Aren't we though?
I am so open minded that I wouldn't be surprised if Obama did get elected... with Hillary's record of people that cross her *mysteriously dying*... and of course that would lead to yet another conspiracy theory against the Rep's.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Bobby

Again .. Hagee is not McCain's pastor .He is just one of many who has given him an endorsement . Should he reject it ? Yes ...as suredly as Ron Paul should've rejected the endorsement of the Ayrian racists who gave him support. As I recall people back then said the endorsement does not reflect Paul's attitudes about race .

The difference here is a 20 YEAR RELATIONSHIP with this pastor and his teachings. They cannot be seperated any more then President Bush's faith is from the man. Do you dispute that a critique of President Bush and his faith have been ongoing throughout his Presidency ? Do you dispute that the Huckster's and Romney's faith were campaign issues ? Why should Obama be exempt ?

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Huckster and Romney made it a subject of campaign fodder and endearment. As far as trying to distance Hagee from McCain, I'm not buying that. If anyone wants to play nutcase showdown, I'm more than willing to link everyone in candidacy to questionable irrational. Ron Paul was criticized heavily by Jewish communities for his voting discord, which was his way of saying the US should be less involved abroad. No. I don't agree with how Paul handled that situation; I advocate Zionism. But I understood it in context. As for Obama, so what if a relationship was 20 years or two minutes? Obama already denounced and tackled the issue of his retired pastor, which has no place on Obama's campaign platform. They never had a news-op together for endorsements. Let's look at anti-Catholic Hagee. McCain gladly put his arm around Hagee in the spotlight of national news coverage and endorsement him with a smile of pearly whites. As for Bush, I couldn't tell you what his Christianity he believes in. I recall that he's affiliated Protestant and that he fooled the whole bible belt twice in both general elections for what it's worth. Bill Clinton before the primary in Texas, on behalf of his wife's campaign, tried to appeal to Christians in Houston by showing up to Joel Olsteen's church. Who the hell did Bill think he was fooling? That was truly a laughable sight to see.

Hello again:

Frankly, I don't want my president elected in a cake walk. If he can't handle his opposition, then he can't handle the enemy.

excon

Since McCain is no different than Bush I just how much your economy can take. Someone has to pay that debt down eventually.

Bush is just having more money printed to cover debt and that is making our economy fall
But with Hillary or Obama they will just make bigger debt and leave it for somebody else to clean up in 2012.

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

Bush is just having more money printed to cover debt and that is making our economy fall
but with Hillary or Obama they will just make bigger debt and leave it for somebody else to clean up in 2012.

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This topic is evolving to more of my liking. Since we agree that government is too big, expensive, and unaffordable, which part do we want to shrink? Shall we ban 'earmarks' for starters?

For starters?
Ban politicians!!
:D

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

Bush is just having more money printed to cover debt and that is making our economy fall
but with Hillary or Obama they will just make bigger debt and leave it for somebody else to clean up in 2012.

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This is where the economics favor Ron Paul. To be perfectly straight, McCain will just continue the Bush administration economic failures. McCain even admitted the economy is a weak subject for him. Not only trickle down styled "Repubnomics" that never worked, but McCain's more than willing to invest further into one hundred years more of war. Yes! The Democrats will spend and tax us. You just have to decide where you rather have the money spent. At least with the Democrats we could spend more on home initiatives, even if some of the programs are welfare abused, as we all know. Our country's infrastructure and educational system is sorely in need of immediate attention.

Babram
I totally agree that is what scares me about any of our *fine* choices.
They say our school system is way behind from other countries, --
P.C. way of saying our kids are dumbed down.

I'm an advocate of Home schooling if the parents are capable. Now depending on the educational standards of the Private schools, they can be excellent, if affordable. Unfortunately the costs for sending a child through a private system is too high for most families. For example: we have few really good educational private Jewish schools in Vegas, but they are real expensive. However another good alternative is a Magnet School. That is if your child qualifies by testing and has a talented ability usually in at least one area, business, sciences, the arts, etc... These are public schools but cater to only the best students and have fewer distractions than the regular public school system.