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My, you are a repressed bunch! :D

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Hardly, NK, but I know the difference between abstinence and PP's idea of "not doing it."

Now we have Seventeen magazine warning kids of "Shocking Ways You Could Get PREGNANT By Accident.” :eek:

Dude you are very creepy by the choice of magazine an old guy decides to read.

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Dude you are very creepy by the choice of magazine an old guy decides to read.

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Cute NK, very cute. Nevertheless I'm not one bit ashamed of reading National Review Online, where I learned this tidbit. I am glad though that some adult somewhere is paying attention to the bilge being fed our kids, so Kudos to Kathryn Jean Lopez for doing just that. I guess you'd rather nobody monitor what our children read? Now THAT would be creepy.

Yeah, it's a pity Liberals don't read National Review and especially a pity they don't read all the books of Charles Murray, they for example, are brilliant analyses of what's wrong with the liberal solution to the social problems of today.

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Yeah, it’s a pity Liberals don’t read National Review and especially a pity they don’t read all the books of Charles Murray, they for example, are brilliant analyses of what's wrong with the liberal solution to the social problems of today.

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The societal problems of today in the US aren't a liberal/conservative issue DC, it's more of a consumerism/materialism issue.

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The societal problems of today in the US aren't a liberal/conservative issue DC, it's more of a consumerism/materialism issue.

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So what are the liberal/conservative solutions to this consumerism/materialism issue?

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So what are the liberal/conservative solutions to this consumerism/materialism issue?

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That's a tough one. The mentality is so engrained to have the McMansion, the two large SUVs, the giant plasma TV, and the like. People are willing to screw over others to attain this, neglect their children, carry crazy amounts of debt. If parents can return to a normal lifestyle that wasn't so materialistic (the appearance of wealth) and return to being a family and spend the time raising their kids.

The corporations have taken over your country and the media. This consumerism is forced down your throats ad nauseum. People need to turn off the TV and computer and go outside, travel, do stuff together.

I grant you the consumerism/materialism issue is critical today, but that is more an economic issue…what I had in mind is the huge welfare State that has been created by Liberal idealism…social responsibility.

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The societal problems of today in the US aren't a liberal/conservative issue DC, it's more of a consumerism/materialism issue.

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Agree, but would also add that a bigger factor is the breakdown of the traditional nuclear family and marriage.


Work and Marriage: The Way to End Poverty and Welfare - Brookings Institution


Look at the census bureau data for the evidence. It is harder to prove consumerism and materialism.


Now do liberals or conservatives promote family friendly policies?

Actually Aid for dependent mothers contributed much to the break-up of the family; fathers left home so the wife would qualify.

EDIT: I meant to say Aid for mothers with dependent children.

Applying the "golden rule" to abstinence and fellatio.

How many would like to have a school, or magazine or MTV teach your daughter that performing fellatio is a form of abstinence? Would you yourself teach that to your daughter[s]?

How many would consider your wife or girlfriend faithful, or be okay with, if she performed just fellatio on another guy?

How many would consider their husband or boyfriend faithful , or be okay with, receiving oral sex from another?

InTheBox,
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They would be expected to stay in school at least through high school, delay childbearing until marriage, work full-time to support any children they chose to bear outside marriage, and limit the size of their families to what they could afford to support. Existing policies would be aligned with this set of expectations. Income assistance would be conditional on work with some exceptions for hardship cases, including serious disability. Benefit programs (including tax credits and exemptions) would be capped at two children per family.

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I agree with the first part of that quote of conclusions. I'd like to see someone implement the "two children maximum" benefits policy - I imagine there would an interesting reaction by the public. That would be the government interfering in your lives, specifically what you normally cry foul about.

Exactly DC:

Why should a guy be responsible, or the mother hold him responsible if the state will qualify you for WIC, food stamps, HUD, Medicaid? These are all well intentioned programs when they started, but who could see the effects then or now?

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Applying the "golden rule" to abstinence and fellatio.

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:rolleyes:

Agree NK

But with freedom comes responsibility, why should the taxpayor be held financially and socially responsible for for someone's else's poor choice[s].

If you accept money from the government should not rules apply?

What happened to personal responsibility and accountability?

Other countries have welfare programs and have not fallen into the gutter - why has the US done so?

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Is fellatio a form of abstinence?

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NO. Its another form of sex

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Is it currently taught or implied that it is in sex education?
Should it be?

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Don't know what its passed off as in school, but the truth is its not abstinance ,nor should be taught as such. It does protect virginity though, doesn't it??

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That's a tough one. The mentality is so engrained to have the McMansion, the two large SUVs, the giant plasma TV, and the like. People are willing to screw over others to attain this, neglect their children, carry crazy amounts of debt. If parents can return to a normal lifestyle that wasn't so materialistic (the appearance of wealth) and return to being a family and spend the time raising their kids.

The corporations have taken over your country and the media. This consumerism is forced down your throats ad nauseum. People need to turn off the TV and computer and go outside, travel, do stuff together.

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Don't be shocked, but I at least partly agree with you. I don't get the whole McMansion/SUV/Plasma TV thing, but I do believe a good part of that is an entitlement mentality which is fed by the left. Their answer of course is blame someone else and let the government take care of you, while conservatives want you to take personal responsibility and take care of yourself.

A conservative would encourage you to turn the TV off and spend time with your kids, while a liberal would go so far as to turn your TV off for you if they could. No?

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but I do believe a good part of that is an entitlement mentality which is fed by the left.

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Nope, that entitlement complex is bipartisan all the way.

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A conservative would encourage you to turn the TV off and spend time with your kids, while a liberal would go so far as to turn your TV off for you if they could. No?

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Uh no. I wrote the words you're using and I'm not considered a neo-conservative am I. :) It's about wanting to be a parent first and dropping that sense of entitlement. I really don't understand your need to polarize everything as being liberal vs conservative. I do understand you have a fanatical hate for all things liberal and it does cloud your judgement.