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Originally Posted by magprob

If the Jews of Nazi Germany would have had someone giving them aid and weapons, 6 million would not be dead today. I am not going to condone the outright slaughter of the palestinian people. I don't give a damn how you try to justify it. It is ethnic cleansing plain and simple. That makes you a sociopathic piece of **** in my book.
Let them fight for their land and let it piss you off that you can't just steal it by other sneaky means.

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You are quite mistaken.

One thing Walid Shoebat (shoebat.com) pointed out in an interview which I found interesting is the plain fact that Palestinians can live in Israel but no Jew can live in Palestine. One must wonder what the response would be if Jews started emigrating to Palestine without revoking Zionism or recognizing the PA. Israeli Arabs are free to not only preach against Zionism in their mosques, but can live peacefully without recognizing it


Hypocrasy: Palestinians living in Israel - Reader comments at DanielPipes.org

Amazon.com: The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine: Books: Ilan Pappe

Read all about it. It's time Americans read something, learn something about the holocaust they are supporting.

Hello mag:

I don't know. How do you ethnically cleanse people by giving them a house after your Army throws you out? How is it that after the Israeli's ethnically cleansed people, they keep on shooting rockets at innocent civilians?

I don't know. If it was ME doing the ethnic cleansing, there wouldn't be any of them around. But, that's just me.

But there's lots of them around. The Israeli's gave them a bunch of land called Gaza where there isn't a singe Jew. They can do what they want with it. So, they use it shoot at the Jews. They have a lot of guns too – BIG guns. I don't know how ethnically cleansed people get guns. Maybe you can tell me.

I also speak English. When I say black I don't mean white. I understand what ethnic cleansing is. I'm a Jew. You don't. You can make up words if that makes you happy.

I know none of this will penetrate.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello mag:



But there's lots of them around. The Israeli's gave them a bunch of land called Gaza where there isn't a singe Jew. They can do what they want with it. So, they use it shoot at the Jews. They have a lot of guns too – BIG guns. I don't know how ethnically cleansed people get guns. Maybe you can tell me.

excon

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Round eyes in America:D

It really is that simple? It won't sink in? You only get the news AIPAC allows you to.

Israel cancelled the east Jerusalem residence permits of a record number of Palestinians in 2006, effectively expelling them from the city, the human rights groups B'Tselem said on Sunday.

A total of 1,363 Palestinians had their residence permits withdrawn last year compared with just 222 in 2005, the watchdog said, basing its figures on interior ministry statistics.

The figure exceeded even the 1997 total of 1,067, the previous highest since Israel occupied Arab east Jerusalem in the 1967 Middle East war and then unilaterally annexed it.

Palestinians in east Jerusalem have the status of permanent residents of Israel, the same status granted to foreigners who settle in the Jewish state.

"Israel treats Palestinian residents of east Jerusalem as immigrants, who live in their homes at the benificence of the authorities and not by right," B'Tselem said.

"Treating these Palestinians as foreigners who entered Israel is astonishing since it was Israel that entered east Jerusalem in 1967."

I am certain, magprob, you will get other responses; your writer seems to have problems. One, he is communist? Second, check this: Critiquing Pappé's 2004 book, A History of Modern Palestine: One Land, Two Peoples, historian Benny Morris wrote in the New Republic:

'Unfortunately much of what Pappe tries to sell his readers is complete fabrication.. . This book is awash with errors of a quantity and a quality that are not found in serious historiography.. . The multiplicity of mistakes on each page is a product of both Pappe's historical methodology and his political proclivities.. . For those enamored with subjectivity and in thrall to historical relativism, a fact is not a fact and accuracy is unattainable'. [10]
Taken from : Ilan Pappé - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks, in any event.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

You are quite mistaken.

One thing Walid Shoebat (shoebat.com) pointed out in an interview which I found interesting is the plain fact that Palestinians can live in Israel but no Jew can live in Palestine. One must wonder what the response would be if Jews started emigrating to Palestine without revoking Zionism or recognizing the PA. Israeli Arabs are free to not only preach against Zionism in their mosques, but can live peacefully without recognizing it


Hypocrasy: Palestinians living in Israel - Reader comments at DanielPipes.org

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Daniel Pipes is a neo-conservative, orientalist, extreme right-wing Zionist

“A total of 1,363 Palestinians had their residence permits withdrawn last year.”

I understand your definition of ethnic cleaning better now.:)

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Daniel Pipes is a neo-conservative, orientalist, extreme right-wing Zionist

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So what, it does not change the fact Palestinians live in Israel and Jews cannot live in Gaza.

Look, I'm not arguing that atrocities have not been committed by Jews, only that it goes both ways; and that what is happing is not by definition “Ethnic Cleansing.”

I also don't believe the State of Israel should have come into being by mandate, but rather only through a Democratic process.

Now that Gaza has been gutted and sealed off? No economy, no trade, only food shipments from the UN. You call that a good thing. Ethnic clensing can be done in different ways. Gaza has been turned into a waste land and thrown to the dogs. I don't expect that to sink in though.

Dark_crow writes: "I also don't believe the State of Israel should have come into being by mandate, but rather only through a Democratic process." I am trying to think of one state that came into existence by 'Democratic process (sic)'. A little help, please. Well, other than the Confederate States of America, but we may not want to go there.

.:: The Palestinian International Campaign To End The Siege on Gaza ::.

http://www.end-gaza-siege.ps/EnRepor...2007_11_05.pdf

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.:: The Palestinian International Campaign To End The Siege on Gaza ::.

http://www.end-gaza-siege.ps/EnRepor...2007_11_05.pdf

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I'm curious, if you were in charge, what would you have Israel do and what would be the consequences for Israel from your action?

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Dark_crow writes: "I also don’t believe the State of Israel should have come into being by mandate, but rather only through a Democratic process." I am trying to think of one state that came into existence by 'Democratic process (sic)'. A little help, please. Well, other than the Confederate States of America, but we may not want to go there.

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That’s a “Red Herring.” The British or the UN could have held elections to form the government in Palestine.

The British or UN?? Give me a break.

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The British or UN?????? Give me a break.

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Expand please?

I, myself, as a military personelperson congratulate you on the fact that you are able to bring out heartfelt feelings. War is hell... but you did not choose the fate of your son. We choose to fight (and I don't know why) but we choose to fight for those who will never fight for us and we protect those who put you down. I apologize that for those people because they should not be bringing their pessicism around you. You hold strong because Your son (of whom you should be very very very proud of) died not in vain but protecting the rights of those who choose to complain. You are brave letting people know how you feel. God bless you.
Navy Seabee

Skell writes: "Expand please?" The UN is us, the US. It has never been able to create a state without the US, and probably can do nothing without the Security Council voting unanimously to approve. The USSR would never have consented to the UN taking that action.

As far as the British were concerned, an empire disintegrating with no stomach for more intanglements as it embraced socialism. The Brits have never looked after Jews as far as I am aware. It was illegal to be Catholic until the 1870's, right?

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I, myself, as a military personelperson congratulate you on the fact that you are able to bring out heartfelt feelings. War is hell ...but you did not choose the fate of your son. We choose to fight (and I don't know why) but we choose to fight for those who will never fight for us and we protect those who put you down. I apologize that for those people because they should not be bringing their pessicism around you. You hold strong because Your son (of whom you should be very very very proud of) died not in vain but protecting the rights of those who choose to complain. You are brave letting people know how you feel. God bless you.
Navy Seabee

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The Rabbi won't see this! The original poster quoted it from an article he read.

YouTube - If Americans Knew What Israel Is Doing! VIDEO WAS CENSORED!