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I brought that article forth to show how far the opposition will go to bring someone down with half truths, and even less fact, as this article was written by a Bush baby, and well, Take it for what it is, an attempt at scaring people away from Mr. Obama, in my opinion. Just as the link to his church paints a picture to separate, which upon investigation does not. There will always be those that believe without checking the facts. In this age of the internet, its not hard to get your own facts.
"What is wrong with partisanship anyway?" Sounds like a good topic Tom.
Thanks for the reference NK, I just watched it all on you tube
Taliniman
Is Bob Kerry a Bush Baby ? He brought up Obama's Muslim grand parent . It was Hillary hacks who suggested Obama dealt drugs... not Republicans.
Tom
My reference was to Ron Kessler, the author of the article. I'm not a republican but like John McCain, at this point. But the jury is still out, but the mind is open.
My thoughts exactly Tal. And I have to say in my quick look at the site I didn't see anything untoward. They are proudly black. Like I'm proudly Australian. Good for them!Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
What a contradiction that would be. Accuse someone's church of racism and then use their Muslim heritage to try and discredit them... LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Does anyone think that if Hillary's dogs go too far down the dirt campaign trail it might work against her. Negative campaigns can do that. We just saw it down under recently at the last federal election. Obama seems to be kicking all the goals and Hillary is faulting. A dirty attack now could reflect poorly on her! Agree?
Skell, a lot of people don't know why there was such a piling on of Romney by McCain, Huckabee, & Giuliani during Saturday's Republican debate, and then on Sunday night's debate Huckabee was still sparring with Romney. Outside of the state of NH, people haven't seen Romney's attack ads on both McCain & Huckabee. I have had to endure those ads. They are completely disgusting and Romney's campaign chair doesn't seem to get that it hurts them more than helps them when they do this. People don't buy into mudslinging that easily. That being said, I do believe that Hillary's people are feverishly looking for the smoking gun that will bring down Obama. I don't think tt will come directly from their camp. They will find some other source to leak it for them. But, we will all know who dug it up.
Let's put it this way... I had a movement this morning after getting out of bed.
Neither Obama nor Clinton impress me with their politics. Obama DOES impress me with his energy and his ability to get crowds behind him. He's very charismatic, and he puts on a good show. And frankly, as much as I dislike his politics, he SEEMS like a likeable fellow. Clinton is NOT.
But any talk of "movements" belongs in exactly the same place that I had my movement this morning. It's ridiculous to think that thee is a "movement" taking place because a particular politician (who also lacks experience) happens to be popular. It takes more that cheering crowds to indicate a "movement" is afoot.
Elliot
I already knew what you thought of the civil rights movement. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
http://www.wsu.edu/~amerstu/smc/images/civil1.gif
Lmao and Amen! ETWolverine
Where is this movement going to appear next?
South Carolina... maybe, given Kerry's endorsement :) It may cause the Democratic machine to move in favor of Obama. That is what killed him in NH at the last moment.
What killed Obama in NH? The Democrat machine is owned by the Clintons, I would think.
They have their own yes, but I was writing about the Party MachineQuote:
Originally Posted by George_1950
Its really to early to crown a new king, as there are a lot more states weighing in, with different issues for sure. We have a long way to go before we can say there is a movement going on across the country.
You said: "I was writing about the Party Machine". Dark_crow: no disrespect intended, but you must be young; the Clintons own the party.
George didn't you hear ? George Soros owns the Democrat Party.
[Eli Pariser, Justin Ruben of MoveOn PAC ]Quote:
“In the last year, grassroots contributors like us gave more than $300 million to the Kerry campaign and the DNC, and proved that the Party doesn't need corporate cash to be competitive. Now it's our Party: we bought it, we own it, and we're going to take it back.”
Oops! Sorry.
DC,
The civil rights movement really was a political movement. So was the women's rights movement, the anti-war movement, etc. They were real political movements with real, stated goals, an aim, a direction, and a strong leadership to make that movement actually MOVE somewhere.
But to say that the Obama campaign is anything like those real political movements? Sorry, that really DOES belong where I had my morning movement. We're talking about a guy with NO EXPERIENCE as either a leader or legislator, much less an executive. He talks about "change", but doesn't talk about what he wishes to change to... or for that matter, change FROM. There's no "movement" here. You can't have a movement without an aim, a goal, and a leader willing to actually sacifice for the attainment of that goal. Talk of an "Obama movement" is ridiculous.
Elliot
It didn't start the way Elliot. When th e lady sat in the front of the bus and refused to go to the back there was no "Movement." But she certainly helped to start one.
You're right though about his movement, there is no movement, it petered out
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