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Originally Posted by letmetellu

Defending the right wingers is easy when the only other option is the Ted Kennedy lead Left Wingers, with the Clintons right behind. And if you think George is bad just wait to see what happens if Hillary is elected.

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You got that right!!

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Originally Posted by 123HelpPlzThx123

uhh yah lots of ppl here in canada hate bush too. Btw there are no terrorists in iraq :S , and if he wanted to save people from the corrupt government he would go save people in like haiti or something, then again they dont have oil... But it isnt all bush, its his administration, he prob doesnt know half the stuff hes doing, the only reason hes the leader of the party was because of his dad, hes spoonfed all the other information he gets. Like in his presidential debate against kerry (which i still can't realize y americans chose bush over kerry) he had an earpiece because hes just not smart enough to think of stuff by himself. And if i were american i would be pretty embarresed as well because of bush, the rest of the world doesnt like americans so much unfortunately because of him. I went to europe last summer and at first some people thought I was american and they didnt treat me as well as they did once they found out i was canadian.

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As a Canadian I want to thank the American people and the army for the freedoms we take for granted. We as Canadians hide behind the protection of the Americans. Our once great military has systematically been rendered irrelevant as a result of Liberal underfunding over the past 30 years. The service of great people like Speedball and his sacrifices are underappreciated.
America and the world need leaders like President Bush who will take a stand for what is right regardless of the political consequences.
As Speedball will attest from his experiences in WW2, a tyrant left unchecked will continue to gain power until he is stopped.
You may be correct that many Canadians hate Bush but after years of brainwashing by a left leaning, government sponsored, national broadcasting corporation it is understandable.
I will give the Bush haters something though He is the worst president since Bill Clinton

Just to be clear the men and women in the Canadian military are doing a great job with what they have to work with. The work to help stabilize Afhganistan and other peacekeeping duties have gained them much respect around the world. The numbers and equipment are just not sufficient to all that is expected of them.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

It could be said that the economy and enployment levels are good simply because the war machine is at work. Weep for your children and the load they will carry with the runaway debt.

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Debt also due to the entitlement machine, earmarks, foreign aid, post katrina costs, the litigation machine, beureaucratic red tape etc...



At least Bush's administration [ despite Democrats playing the class envy/ income redistribution card] is letting hard working taxpayors keep a higher percentage of their hard earned dollars.







Grace and Peace

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Originally Posted by speedball1

"he is what was elected by the people of this great country."
Oh No!! Can't buy that. I'm a Floridian and we remember the shrub was given the election by Katherine Harris. Gore won the popular vote.
We remembered Harris the next time she ran for office. That's why she is now a private citizen living out on Longboat Key just across Sarasota Bay from my place.
Now you can stand up and wave a flag for a man that in World War Two we would have called a slacker and a draft dodger. Cheny slithered out from going to VietNam by collage deferments. The shrub escaped by joining the Texas National Guard and then slithered out of that to go work on a reelection campaign. Both are a disgrace to the boys they are sending over to that meat grinder and to those of us who fought for (as you call it) "This Great Country" to say nothing of our boys who come back home in body bags.
And don't you dare attempt to heavy up on me for my opinion of Bush.
I paid my dues in World War Two. USN, Amphibs, Beach Battalion. So. Pac., Motor Mac on a LCVP landing craft.
I lost my big brother and my best school chum in that war. Left them both back in the So. Pac. when I came home.
I have won the right to call any man that shirks his own military duty, while sending others out to fight, anything I want to.

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How about all the congresspeople that voted on the resoultion? Were all of them veterans?
And Bill Clinton was a combat veteran? Or was he in England, and yet he ordered bombing in Kosovo. Not all war era veterans are in combat, some are stateside or stationed at other military bases.

I disagree with you, obviously, but I respect your service.



Grace and Peace

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Originally Posted by 123HelpPlzThx123

Wow, u actualy think bush is such a great guy! This is the reason he was reelected, he brainwashed his citizens. Listen i knew a guy from iraq that moved out of the country because of the americans. He did say that life in iraq wasnt that great because of saddam and everything, but he also said that it got much worse after bush decided to go into that country. and no, he didnt go into the country because he thought there were nuclear weapons, it was because he wanted oil. Why didnt he invade Korea for having nuclear weapons? The bush administration has tried to make poeple not see what they are really doing, and the problem is most americans are beliveing in it.

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Here is a Socialist telling us our president is spoon Fed! Bwa Ha Ha HA HA HA!

I know this is a touch subject... and I thank everyone for participating.

Actually, Fl was the deciding state.
Although I'm happy that I get to keep more of my hard earned money and don't have to pay higher taxes so that slackers can receive free benefits,
I didn't vote for bush because of his past.
I felt that his past with alcohol and drug abuse (among other things) was not honorable enough to be the leader of my country,
My children's country, our home...
I believe it was fixed. He only won the election after a "recount".
Give me a break...
The entire time this man has been in office, I have not met one person who says they voted for him (Florida)... so how is it that he got fl??
Anyway, this man has been in office for how long now and he has done a few good things. Unfortunately for me, there is more damage than good.

I get so pissed about this new thing happening with the illegal immigrant crap.
All the people who sneak over here (most criminals) get to stay and become a citizen, but the ones here legally with visa/greencards/work permits have to go back... what? Where is the moral there?? Please. He's a jack az!

Sorry I guess this is like a venting post for me...

I agree with letmetellu 100%, Maybe you people will be much happier when the whitehouse is back to doing nothing but having orgies and filling their pockets...

Do you not think that Bush is filling his pockets? Think again...

Maybe, but can you prove it? I really think this man walked into a he ll of a mess, and he had a lot of supporters when this thing started, but as soon as things didn't turn out the way they should have, the country turns their back on him. What would you do if you were in his shoes?? I'm sure you will come up with a great answer, but it's B/S, I couldn't imagine what it would be like to have this mess on my back, I think he has done the best that any man could do. Just wait, you'll get your way, maybe we'll get Hillary in office, Thing's will be great! I'll be the first one out of this d a m n country!!

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Originally Posted by hvacservicetech_07

Maybe, but can you prove it?? I really think this man walked into a he ll of a mess, and he had alot of supporters when this thing started, but as soon as things didn't turn out the way they should have, the country turns their back on him. What would you do if you were in his shoes?!?!

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Honestly, I don't know what I'd do.
But one things for sure, Bush is an oil man, he pockets every time I fill up.

Again, Can you prove that? This may be true, but do you honestly think that he started this war, for money? Give me a break! That is crazy, That doesn't make sense, like I said before, this war was something this country wanted, we wanted revenge.

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Originally Posted by 123HelpPlzThx123

I still think that bush is a bad president, but voting/not voting for people who have good/bad personal habits isnt alwayse the right way to go. For example:
a vegitarean who does not drink and likes to go for walks.
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an alcoholic...

If u chose the first one u voted for hitler, if u chose the second u voted for winston churchhill, lol see wat i mean

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I see the point you're trying to make and I do appreciate it.
But for me personally, I still feel that if one cannot lead himself in the right direction, he has no business trying to lead a country in the right direction.

I'm all for someone else stepping in and giving it a shot, but what are our options? Do you really think that Hillary Clinton will help things? I don't want to argue with you, we all have a right to our opinion, but I just don't see things getting any better, I don't think we are going to get anyone in that office that can finish this thing the right way.

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Originally Posted by hvacservicetech_07

Again, Can you prove that? This may be true, but do you honestly think that he started this war, for money?? Give me a break!! That is crazy, That doesn't make sense, like I said before, this war was something this country wanted, we wanted revenge.

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Oh I totally agree with you there - after 9/11.
But I feel this war strayed off the original path and benefits him.

What do you think he does with his oil money?

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Originally Posted by hvacservicetech_07

I'm all for someone else stepping in and giving it a shot, but what are our options? Do you really think that Hillary Clinton will help things?? I don't want to argue with you, we all have a right to our opinion, but I just don't see things getting any better, I don't think we are going to get anyone in that office that can finish this thing the right way.

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Me either... I don't like any of the options...
And Hillary... LOL... never...
I'm a little fearful of what is to come...

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Originally Posted by hvacservicetech_07

I'm all for someone else stepping in and giving it a shot, but what are our options? Do you really think that Hillary Clinton will help things?? I don't want to argue with you, we all have a right to our opinion, but I just don't see things getting any better, I don't think we are going to get anyone in that office that can finish this thing the right way.

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I'm not arguing my friend, just discussing opinions and taking in other point of views.
This is probably the first discussion I've ever had about politics besides with my husband and that's just because the subject is unavoidable and disturbing to me.
Just discussing my thoughts and reading others somehow makes me feel better...

How does President Bush line his pockets with oil money?
Doesn't a reduced supply drive up the prices? With stability in the middle east supply will be more reliable.
The left left wing Bush haters that make it virtually impossible to search for more oil or build more refineries do more to cause a shortage of gas supplies allowing prices to rise at the pump which increases profits for oil companies.
I hope you sincere when you say you are just discussing options and not looking for arguments.
Comments such as Bush is lining his pockets and Bush stole the elections have no basis in fact but are just repeated distortions that if repeated often enough tend to be believed.
The Florida election count has been recounted more than any other count in history.
Counted by the media, universities as well as the official counts and they all came to the same conclusion.

Ask how many overseas military ballots where counted? The left went out of their way to make sure these votes where not included as members of the military who know the price of freedom better than others tend to be more right of center.
As for the claim that the ballots where fixed or confusing. First if you can't figure out how to vote in a voting both should you be the one to decide who should be elected to the most powerful position in the world.
The next point even though I can't remember all the details about how Fla elections are run but I do remember in the disputed Counties the ballots where set up by Democrats.
The chief electorial officers where Democrats.
This is a great string, always like to hear different points of views. One question though, why did you start the thread with Can this moron do anything right/good?
Doesn't sound like someone than is just looking for information. It sounds like you your opinion is made and you are looking for support for your conclusions.
Does your statement that President Bush is a moron come from his accent? Because he mispronounces a syllable or two once in a while? Just curious

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Originally Posted by hvacservicetech_07

like I said before, this war was something this country wanted, we wanted revenge.

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Hello hv:

I agree we wanted revenge. The problem is that Iraq didn't attack us, and we've been vengful on the wrong people. Bush finally admitted that they didn't, but Cheney won't even to this day. After all these years, you'd think the two of them would agree on what got us onto Iraq. But, nooooo.

I don't know how they think they can get away with that. Of course, they can't!! Given the above, I think Bush will go down in history as the WORST president ever.

excon

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Originally Posted by letmetellu

I thank you for your service in the service during World War II and I am sorry for your losses in that war, and I respect your right to say anything about anyone you want to but that does not make me agree with you.
Your statement about Bush escaping by joining the National Guard, by the way I was a National Guard soldier in the Korean war, I hope you know that the guard is not a safe haven as so many of the boys in Iraq know.

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"I hope you know that the guard is not a safe haven as so many of the boys in Iraq know."

You misunderstand. I support the troops and the service personal from all branches. What I don't support is the war itself. As a veteran, LetmetellU, I can not understand why you aren't right in there with us in our outrage. Look at both Bush and Chenys shameful record in the Vietnam war. I have nothing against the Guard, the Guard wasn't my point of focus. The fact that Bush bugged out of the Guard and never went back to complete his tour but instead elected to work on a politicians reelection campaign is the point I brought out.
The sight of Bush strutting down the deck of a aircraft carrier wearing a flight suit costume under a banner that read "Mission Accomplished" was a slap in the face to every veteran that ever went in harms way.
You can support this man if you choose, but in my view the American Public has spoke loud and clear or haven't you noticed the latest polls.

You say, " I thank you for your service in the service during World War II and I am sorry for your losses in that war"
And I salute you for your service in the Korean Conflict. Most American families lost a family member in World War Two so my loss was just one of many. We were attacked and went to war to fight the aggressors. This is the price we paid for freedom. In Iraq we are the aggressors, we started this conflict behind faulty and misleading intellence. And now, the chickenhawks in Washing have got us in the middle of a religious civil war from which there is no end and no victory.
They tout a "surge" but fail to mention the surge of body bags that are returning in ever greater numbers. But it's not us who's suffering the most.
If not us then who? Why it's the Iraq civilians! The very people we went in to save. Does anybody out there see a ending to this slaughter??

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Originally Posted by speedball1

"I hope you know that the guard is not a safe haven as so many of the boys in Iraq know."

You misunderstand. I support the troops and the service personal from all branches. What I don't support is the war itself. As a veteran, LetmetellU, I can not understand why you aren't right in there with us in our outrage. Look at both Bush and Chenys shameful record in the Vietnam war. I have nothing against the Guard, the Guard wasn't my point of focus. The fact that Bush bugged out of the Guard and never went back to complete his tour but instead elected to work on a politicians reelection campaign is the point I brought out.
The sight of Bush strutting down the deck of a aircraft carrier wearing a flight suit costume under a banner that read "Mission Accomplished" was a slap in the face to every veteran that ever went in harms way.
You can support this man if you choose, but in my view the American Public has spoke loud and clear or haven't you noticed the latest polls.

You say, " I thank you for your service in the service during World War II and I am sorry for your losses in that war"
And I salute you for your service in the Korean Conflict. Most American families lost a family member in World War Two so my loss was just one of many. We were attacked and went to war to fight the aggressors. This is the price we paid for freedom. In Iraq we are the aggressors, we started this conflict behind faulty and misleading intellence. And now, the chickenhawks in Washing have got us in the middle of a religious civil war from which there is no end and no victory.
They tout a "surge" but fail to mention the surge of body bags that are returning in ever greater numbers. But it's not us who's suffering the most.
If not us then who?? Why it's the Iraq civilians!! The very people we went in to save. Does anybody out there see a ending to this slaughter???

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Tom I just have one more thing to say on this subject, I am not trying to convert you to my way of thinking and I hate that we are in a war just as bad as you but we are in a war, a war that was started by the misleading information that had been gathered for years, not just since George Bush had been in office. We know that Sadam was a murderer from what he did to his own countrymen. Osama was born in Iraq and I can not help but believe he was supported by Sadam, either in weapons or money. How can we get out of this war? I don't know but I sure don't want to do another Vietnam. We have done some great things in Iraq and I would hate that all of those men died or were wounded for nothing and that is what it will be if we just set a date and drive away.