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  • Jun 27, 2020, 05:26 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    So when the teens take over, that's good? Hmmm.

    Guess they can be creative and ruthless, mine were, and smart and maybe they don't like the dufus.

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    The NJ case makes it clear that it is not rare and shows how mail in voting (which was the topic) is ripe for fraud. Court cases so far have upheld voter ID.
    4 corrupt officials conspiring isn't widespread. One instance in one state out of how many voters? You do the math. They have also struck it down when it's shown to disenfranchise groups of people, most recently right here in Texas.

    How about this interactive map and report. Personally I can deal with an ID, but recognize the challenges for others. Some of the requirements are hard or impossible to meet.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-study/517218/

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    By instituting strict voter ID laws, states can alter the electorate and shift outcomes toward those on the right. Where these laws are enacted, the influence of Democrats and liberals wanes and the power of Republicans grows. Unsurprisingly, these strict ID laws are passed almost exclusively by Republican legislatures.
  • Jun 27, 2020, 05:32 PM
    jlisenbe
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    4 corrupt officials conspiring isn't widespread. One instance in one state out of how many voters? You do the math. They have also struck it down when it's shown to disenfranchise groups of people, most recently right here in Texas.
    4 people but thousands of votes, and people testifying that they never received their ballots.

    As for you link, despite its description of "state lawmakers nationwide started introducing hundreds of harsh measures making it harder to vote," of the five or six states I looked at, it was pretty much photo voter ID which seems perfectly reasonable to me.

    I am open to instances of genuine voter suppression, but I don't know of very many.
  • Jun 27, 2020, 05:43 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I am open to instances of genuine voter suppression, but I don't know of very many.

    How about the primary in New York? In Kentucky? In Wisconsin? Oh, yes -- don't want to forget mentioning Georgia!
  • Jun 27, 2020, 06:28 PM
    paraclete
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    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    How about the primary in New York? In Kentucky? In Wisconsin? Oh, yes -- don't want to forget mentioning Georgia!

    Yes these people were given the vote but should not be allowed to exercise it, afterall look who they elected
  • Jun 27, 2020, 06:42 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Yes these people were given the vote but should not be allowed to exercise it, afterall look who they elected

    We don't know who they voted for. It was a primary. No one was "elected."
  • Jun 27, 2020, 06:53 PM
    paraclete
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    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    We don't know who they voted for. It was a primary. No one was "elected."

    In a primary you vote for someone and all the candidates were either defeated or undesirable so as I said, and we remember what they did last time
  • Jun 27, 2020, 07:04 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    In a primary you vote for someone and all the candidates were either defeated or undesirable so as I said, and we remember what they did last time

    What did they do last time?
  • Jun 27, 2020, 07:43 PM
    jlisenbe
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    How about the primary in New York? In Kentucky? In Wisconsin? Oh, yes -- don't want to forget mentioning Georgia!
    You might want to get a little specific. Just throwing out the names of states doesn't accomplish much.
  • Jun 27, 2020, 07:48 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You might want to get a little specific. Just throwing out the names of states doesn't accomplish much.

    Google, please. To help you for the first one, good keywords are "Georgia primary voting problems" (without quote marks).
  • Jun 27, 2020, 07:54 PM
    jlisenbe
    If you don't know any specifics, then how do you know that anything happened? And if you don't know, then why list the states? And if you know so much about searches, then why don't you know the specifics?
  • Jun 27, 2020, 07:59 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    If you don't know any specifics, then how do you know that anything happened? And if you don't know, then why list the states? And if you know so much about searches, then why don't you know the specifics?

    Why are you being so helpless?
  • Jun 27, 2020, 08:53 PM
    jlisenbe
    You have no answers but you think I'm helpless???

    At any rate, go to church tomorrow. I get to go in the morning and join with other Christians in praising our faithful God. Some of them are men struggling with addiction. All kinds of problems are represented there, but we have our faith in Christ. It's a wonderful privilege. I'm forever grateful to have it.
  • Jun 28, 2020, 08:37 AM
    talaniman
    Wear a mask and keep your proper distance.
  • Jun 28, 2020, 08:04 PM
    paraclete
    Yes he looks better that way
  • Jun 29, 2020, 04:12 AM
    jlisenbe
    "Chicago's weekend shootings kill at least 13, including 1-year-old boy, 10-year-old girl, reports say."

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicagos-...-year-old-girl
  • Jun 29, 2020, 04:22 AM
    talaniman
    That's life in the big city, find one that doesn't have crime.
  • Jun 29, 2020, 04:37 AM
    jlisenbe
    My gosh. What a casual answer. If only they had been killed by cops. Then we could get some people really concerned.
  • Jun 29, 2020, 06:49 AM
    paraclete
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    My gosh. What a casual answer. If only they had been killed by cops. Then we could get some people really concerned.

    yes that's what it takes, apparently, they weren't black
  • Jun 29, 2020, 07:01 AM
    talaniman
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    My gosh. What a casual answer. If only they had been killed by cops. Then we could get some people really concerned.

    You haven't shown any concern since the civil war was over and less before it started so please spare me your fake concern NOW!
  • Jun 29, 2020, 07:14 AM
    jlisenbe
    I'd be happy to see any kind of concern at all from you. There is nothing.
  • Jun 29, 2020, 07:40 AM
    talaniman
    BREAKING NEWS

    https://www.axios.com/supreme-court-...08f7370a6.html

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgntp
  • Jun 29, 2020, 08:33 AM
    jlisenbe
    Are you rejoicing to know that we continue to allow the killing of the most innocent and defenseless?

    The Mississippi Senate did agree to change the flag.
  • Jun 29, 2020, 11:08 AM
    talaniman
    Scotus just recognized they had ruled thusly on an exact same law that the Texas legislature had passed a few years earlier, and simply upheld the precedent by a single vote of that ruling so no celebration is warranted.

    For Ms. the flag decision is but a signal for the willingness to change from the cruelty, terrorism, and atrocities of it's past. Let's hope this first step is followed by more positive ones soon, and not just a placation of high emotions.
  • Jun 29, 2020, 11:13 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Are you rejoicing to know that we continue to allow the killing of the most innocent and defenseless?

    Why don't you have funerals and burials for the 60%+ of conceived "humans" who fail to survive. They are zygotes (fertilized eggs which you claim are murdered). I think the reason is you don't REALLY believe a zygote is a human being.

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    The Mississippi Senate did agree to change the flag.
    It's about time. Took them long enough.
  • Jun 29, 2020, 11:31 AM
    jlisenbe
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    They are zygotes
    You might want to find out what a zygote is before you make that post again.

    I can't speak for others, but if my wife had miscarried, it would have torn our hearts open and we would have mourned over the loss of our child. We would have had some sort of private service for him/her. We would not have torn off the legs, arms, and heads, and then tossed the remains in the trash as is frequently done at the "clinics" and which you fully support.
  • Jun 29, 2020, 11:36 AM
    Athos
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You might want to find out what a zygote is before you make that post again.

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sponta...tion_in_humans
  • Jun 29, 2020, 11:58 AM
    jlisenbe
    The topic under discussion was abortion clinics. They do not deal with zygotes since the woman is not even aware she is pregnant at that point.
  • Jun 29, 2020, 12:09 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You might want to find out what a zygote is before you make that post again.

    Oops, another clue you missed a lot of days during Biology 101.
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    We would not have torn off the legs, arms, and heads, and then tossed the remains in the trash as is frequently done at the "clinics" and which you fully support.
    Actually, that's done during medically necessary late-term abortions when other options aren't possible. Very few women wait until the ninth month and sigh, "Oh, pshaw, *yawn* I don't want this kid after all."
  • Jun 29, 2020, 12:17 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    The topic under discussion was abortion clinics. They do not deal with zygotes since the woman is not even aware she is pregnant at that point.

    You'd be surprised at how quickly we women realize we're pregnant!
  • Jun 29, 2020, 01:04 PM
    jlisenbe
    That may be, but you don't know you're pregnant at the zygote stage. Way too early.

    Did you participate in church Sunday?
  • Jun 29, 2020, 02:21 PM
    talaniman
    I have often criticized the right wing anti-abortion actions as bullying simply because women with means and resources and private insurance can visit an Oby/Gyn in privacy, and control their health decisions, where woman without resources, generally poor females, do not have the same options. Most mature women know any sexual activity can result in pregnancy, so married or not they handle their business...without anyone's advice or permission. Blood and urine tests can detect a pregnancy after 2 weeks of fertilization.

    https://www.babymed.com/pregnancy-te...ed-with-a-test

    Attacking just poor women, is discrimination, but that seems to be all you can effect. I don't like bullies regardless of rhyme, reason, or religion, and certainly oppose the barbaric practice of shaming and shunning, against anyone who is hard pressed to defend themselves. While I am opposed to abortions, I am way more opposed to bullies, and deadbeats after the deed is done. You seem to be in both categories JL!!
  • Jun 29, 2020, 02:36 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    That may be, but you don't know you're pregnant at the zygote stage. Way too early.

    "A zygote is the union of the sperm cell and the egg cell. Also known as a fertilized ovum, the zygote begins as a single cell but divides rapidly in the days following fertilization. After this two-week period of cell division, the zygote eventually becomes an embryo. If this goes well, the embryo becomes a fetus."

    I'm guessing you'll be pregnant in Purgatory. You'll pee a lot during the first two weeks.
  • Jun 29, 2020, 02:53 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    "A zygote is the union of the sperm cell and the egg cell. Also known as a fertilized ovum, the zygote begins as a single cell but divides rapidly in the days following fertilization. After this two-week period of cell division, the zygote eventually becomes an embryo. If this goes well, the embryo becomes a fetus."
    Thank you for telling me what I already know. Now maybe you can tell us the significance of the information.

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    Most mature women know any sexual activity can result in pregnancy, so married or not they handle their business...without anyone's advice or permission. Blood and urine tests can detect a pregnancy after 2 weeks of fertilization.
    So? Women generally do not suspect pregnancy until they miss a period. That's 4 weeks.

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    Attacking just poor women, is discrimination, but that seems to be all you can effect. I don't like bullies regardless of rhyme, reason, or religion, and certainly oppose the barbaric practice of shaming and shunning, against anyone who is hard pressed to defend themselves. While I am opposed to abortions, I am way more opposed to bullies, and deadbeats after the deed is done. You seem to be in both categories JL!!
    I'm always amazed how liberal dems can justify anything. Grown adults go into a room and kill a defenseless, innocent child, but somehow in your world it is someone else who is the bully. Well how about killing an innocent human being??? Does that pass for bullying in your world?

    How about killing the unborn children of poor women? Does that qualify as discrimination in your brave new world?
  • Jun 29, 2020, 03:00 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Thank you for telling me what I already know. Now maybe you can tell us the significance of the information.

    So? Women generally do not suspect pregnancy until they miss a period. That's 4 weeks.

    You're very incorrect. The first, very early indication of pregnancy is needing to pee.
  • Jun 29, 2020, 03:05 PM
    jlisenbe
    You mean you never had to pee before getting pregnant??? I have to be honest with you and say that I don't really believe that. 8D

    But while we're talking pregnancies, our daughter and son in law just let us know that she is going to have a girl. We are thrilled.
  • Jun 29, 2020, 03:09 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You mean you never had to pee before getting pregnant??? I have to be honest with you and say that I don't really believe that.

    I should have added FREQUENTLY!!!!
  • Jun 29, 2020, 03:20 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    So? Women generally do not suspect pregnancy until they miss a period. That's 4 weeks.
    Women of means with insurance can visit their oby/gyn, and confirm a pregnancy within two weeks of having sex as my link says. It's also covered under Obama Care!
  • Jun 29, 2020, 03:43 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Women of means with insurance can visit their oby/gyn, and confirm a pregnancy within two weeks of having sex as my link says. It's also covered under Obama Care!

    Don't know why they don't. Maybe they don't KNOW!

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    I'm always amazed how liberal dems can justify anything. Grown adults go into a room and kill a defenseless, innocent child, but somehow in your world it is someone else who is the bully. Well how about killing an innocent human being??? Does that pass for bullying in your world?

    How about killing the unborn children of poor women? Does that qualify as discrimination in your brave new world?
    Is cleaning a womb after two weeks of fertilization murder? NO! Such exams are also used for fibrous growths and ectopic treatment, also both important to women's health. Is it to you? I can respect religious teaching, but individual rights trump religion in my book! That's what I mean about education and OPTIONS that women can and should have availed to them...within the LAW!

    Even married woman have a right to plan their families don't they, and practice good health for themselves. I really don't think its any of your business or mine either.
  • Jun 29, 2020, 04:14 PM
    jlisenbe
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    Is cleaning a womb
    Cleaning a womb. Dear God. If it makes you feel better to put it that way, then that's up to you. You intentionally keep yourself ignorant of the truth lest your thoughts keep you up at night.

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    practice good health for themselves
    Yeah. And if it means killing their unborn child, then Tal is fine with that. You couldn't care less.

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    individual rights
    What are these individual rights based on?
  • Jun 29, 2020, 04:24 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    What are these individual rights based on?

    Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court ruled that the Constitution of the United States protects a pregnant woman's liberty to choose to have an abortion without excessive government restriction. (Wikipedia)

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