When you close down all the blue collar jobs and send them overseas then there are no more entry level jobs in America.
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When you close down all the blue collar jobs and send them overseas then there are no more entry level jobs in America.
Obama has been doing that... by insisting people with ZERO job skills should be earning what people with several years of experience make...
WHy pay someone that figuatively can't tie their own shoes over $10 an hour when you can get someone overseas to do it for a fraction of that... what might have been worth paying someone here $7.55 an hour... is rarely woth paying then $10+ an hour unless they have actual value that excedes that.
Obamas has done NOTHING that has been pro business in the last 5 years, or that even encourages them... and he's done everything to drive business out of the USA and to overrseas where comparatively there is a more business friendly enviroment.
That's why blue collar jobs have fallen significantly in the last 5 years.
That's an exaggeration of his wanting to raise the minimum wage like most other Americans want. There are a lot of states rising their minimum wage already and more to follow. Saves taxpayers money too.Quote:
Obama has been doing that... by insisting people with ZERO job skills should be earning what people with several years of experience make...
WHy pay someone that figuatively can't tie their own shoes over $10 an hour when you can get someone overseas to do it for a fraction of that... what might have been worth paying someone here $7.55 an hour... is rarely woth paying then $10+ an hour unless they have actual value that excedes that.
The truth is that blue collar jobs have been leaving America for 30 years since the first Bush's "New World Order". Corporations have been running for cheaper labor and sweat shops, and tax havens and done quite well. Workers here have not. What we should dumb down to those other countries like China, and India to compete with them?Quote:
Obamas has done NOTHING that has been pro business in the last 5 years, or that even encourages them... and he's done everything to drive business out of the USA and to overrseas where comparatively there is a more business friendly enviroment.
That's why blue collar jobs have fallen significantly in the last 5 years.
Well.. the results of his actions and the resulting pathetic employment numbers back up my point... every number related to employment was far BETTER when W left office than its been at any point in the last 5 years.
Incidentally... Offshoring went into high gear under Bill Clinton. Not under Bush Sr.
I was involved in setting up a number of data centers for offshore call centers and other offices that were moving operations overseas, and never did more of those at any time than Under Clinton before or since.
Businesses move where its adventageous for them... that happens to be overseas in the hostile business environment that's existed the last 5 years.
You cannot ignore the job losses at the end of W's term that shed jobs and tanked the global economy because of greedy private sector banks, and their regulatory flunkies, the ratings agencies. The banks have come back with a roar, main street has not.
More people had jobs at the end of Bushes term than at any time under Obama... a much greater percentage of the population also had jobs BEFORE obama took office... the labor participation rate is now at 30 year lows.
The official unemployment rate was lower when Bush left office than it has ever been in the last 5 years as well. Ignoring the more accurate U2 rate which shows how much worse its really been under Obama.
Every other claim about Obama is pure propaganda. He has made nothing better.
If as you claim Obama has made things better...then why are food stamps and other handout propgrams at all time highs in useage....
If as you claim Obama made things better ...then there should ne no objections to rolling Unemployument compensation as well as welfare and food stamps BACK to the levels under Bush and further reduce them even lower as they aren't needed since things are supposedly so much better for all now. We are wasting huge ammounts of money on those programs as they are no longer needed.
It's been a LOT longer than that. "Made in Japan" was a meme in the 60s. "Look for the Union Label" was a commercial in the 70s. Your nemesis Wal-mart hade their "Made in America" campaign in the 80s.Quote:
The truth is that blue collar jobs have been leaving America for 30 years
A valid debate can be had as to whether FDR started the move with the Wagner Act or Truman with the Marshall Plan. It's been going on a long time.
TRUTH-Bush left office shedding 800,000 jobs a monthQuote:
More people had jobs at the end of Bushes term than at any time under Obama... a much greater percentage of the population also had jobs BEFORE obama took office... the labor participation rate is now at 30 year lows.
Truth-We had a financial meltdown main street lost jobs, and homes.Quote:
The official unemployment rate was lower when Bush left office than it has ever been in the last 5 years as well. Ignoring the more accurate U2 rate which shows how much worse its really been under Obama.
43 months of job growth (slow as it may be) and the return of prosperity of job creators who haven't made jobs. (wealth extraction of supply siders with no trickle down. A conservative failed business model)Quote:
Every other claim about Obama is pure propaganda. He has made nothing better.
No blue collar jobs, they have been going overseas and to Mexico before that for 30 years. Replaced by Walmart and McDonalds service jobs at the low end of the wage totem pole, while prices and profits have been rising steadily, forcing more people into the safety nets just to eat, and pay rent, and energy costs.Quote:
If as you claim Obama has made things better...then why are food stamps and other handout propgrams at all time highs in useage....
If as you claim Obama mA jobless recovery and higher profits have not trickled down fast enough to provide jobs. Those safety net programs are more needed than ever considering rising costs, low wages, and NO trickle what so ever. Private business has failed and gotten so greedy it's legal robbery. The top 85 people have extracted more wealth than half the population of the entire WORLD!!Quote:
ade things better ...then there should ne no objections to rolling Unemployument compensation as well as welfare and food stamps BACK to the levels under Bush and further reduce them even lower as they aren't needed since things are supposedly so much better for all now. We are wasting huge ammounts of money on those programs as they are no longer needed.
Just curious where is your tax haven?
@Catsmine.
True that.
Bush inherited that from Clinton...
That's the excuse Obamas been using for 5 years...
Incidently.....the last few months of Bushes administration.....everyone knew what was comming....a half black bobblehead disaster that hasn't run anything successfully in his life.
and 5 years later....every prediction of doom and gloom has come true. Elect someone who's sole accomplishment in life was voting present more than anyone in history....you get what you deserved.
Bush inherited what from Clinton... a balanced budget, an expected surplus??
What planet have you been living on Tal..
IF you are going to use that logic... then admit Obama is responsible for every mess that's happened the last 5 years... and admit he was a loser for trying toblame it all on Bush. You can't have it both ways...
EIther Obama is responsible for historically bad decisions... or Bush inherited everything that happens under his watch from Clinton.
Oh the storis I could tell about what really went on in the Clinton Admionistration behind closed doors......
One of these days when enough time has passed I'll tell them....
I blame everything on the right wing extremists who have hi jacked the democracy and the greedy b@st@rd that stole the money.
You mean the same ones responsible for reducing the spending in Clintons second term by forcing it on Bill, who was not the pig headed ingnoramous we have in the White house now? When the Republicans took control of the house AND the Senate?
I didn't like Bill Clinton, but at least he was a true politition and wasn't above negotiating, and I respected him for that. Obama on the other hand is an arrogant (insert euphamism for a male apendage) who thinks he's a dictator and doesn't grasp the fact we have three co-equal branches of government... despite his bogus and unproven claims of having been a Constitutional law professor...
He clearly doesn't grasp the simplest basics of our Constitution.
Tal, when are you going to blame the guy who single-handedly cut living standards for most of us with Obamacare? Your president made me and millions of others poorer with his promised drop in insurance costs, not to mention all those turned into part timers because he's too stupid or stubborn to recognize the negative consequences of his stupid law, or just indifferent to them as even his allies have noticed.
You guys think we're ignorant and that we haven't noticed this is Obama's economy and that Dems are directly responsible for screwing us over. Nobody believes your guys any more and for good reason.
You're right about that much. "Triangulation" was probably Clinton's one stellar achievement. That's why this year's Congressional elections are more important than 2016. If the Senate leadership remains for 2 more years we may not have a 2016 election. Sen. Feinstein is just dying to nominate the "President for Life."Quote:
I didn't like Bill Clinton, but at least he was a true politition and wasn't above negotiating
If the economy is as good as Obama claims it is... then there is rampant and overt fraud in the food stamp program since he came to office.
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The pile on of the Huckster is just part of what has emerged as the Dems attempt to take down any potential Repub candidate for 2016 POTUS election. So far ,in less than a month they have gone after Christe . He'll spend the next 2 years using his resources to defend himself . They have also gone after former Virginia Guv McDonnell . Now the Huckster is in the cross hairs ..... and lets not forget Dinesh DeSousa . For the Dems this is a blood sport . The Repubs should keep that in mind .
Well we have to vet you guys pretty good Tom. No doubt you will do the same.
nah we don't have the Holder Justice Dept running roughshod over the process.
That'll change when Cristie or Bush get elected I'm sure.
This is nothing less than the criminalization of politics . It's how the Chinese do it .
Everyone I mentioned except the Huckster is either under investigation by the Holder Justice Dept or is indicted . What is D'Souza's crime ? He made a movie about the emperor .
Meanwhile Holder rubber stamped the IRS targeting of Tea Party groups.He refuses to appointment of a special prosecutor.
That is why the lefties are so intent on disarming the population... they clearly have no use for the constitution and are clearly on the path to declaring themselves dictators very much like the USSR... where you had one party rule and you got to "elect" the one person who could run. Or more like Chavez did. He was Obamas hero... he had a Chavez poster in his campaign office in the early days. Heaven help the person who ran against Chavez... which are not that much different than what the Obama flunkies are doing now in a somewhat more restrained way.
You don't need to disarm the population to have proper gun control and the whole question could be resolved by weapons kept in armories Chavez is now history and he did in Venezuela what needed to be done, changing the society he can be admired for his accomplishments without needing to use his methods
You don't know much about Venezuela then... how it was before (not very many years ago it was one of the most prosperous south American countries)and the true third world joke it has become. Chavez and his thugs destroyed that country. It will take generations to recover from it if it ever does. And his hand picked successor is no different..
You just haven't had a egotistical meglomaniac like Obama yet.....if that ever happens your country won't be able to defend against it. THe fact we are so well armed has prevented Obama and his brain damaged minions from disolving Congress and appointing him supreme leader for life.
In fact Obamas own words point towards that.......where despite the Constitution and the fact we have three coequal branches of government...he has actually said he's going to do whatever he wants despite what the other two branches might say.....if thats not Treason and high crimes....and dictatorial behaviour....nothing is.
as you said the branches are coequal so therefore he feels he has a right to govern in the face of outright obstructionism from a minority. What your right forgets is he was individually elected by the people, not once but twice. That must give him a clear mandate for something. He wasn't elected in a vacuum and he wasn't elected without a platform
I don't know how you feel my country wasn't subjected to six years of egotistial crap from leftist leaning politicians but fortunately our electoral system works to resolve the differences. We had what could only be described as two coups in that six years, one where an elected leader was thrown aside and another where the usurper was thrown aside. If Venezeula was so prosperous how did the left gain the foothold among the population to overthrow the privileged? You see what you want to see
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The constitution clearly defines the authority of the branches. Making law is a Congressional perogative . The emperor has some authority to issue executive orders where it applies to the enforcement of law. But there is nothing that gives him the authority to make law ....as he has frequently done with his EO's .Quote:
as you said the branches are coequal so therefore he feels he has a right to govern in the face of outright obstructionism from a minority. What your right forgets is he was individually elected by the people, not once but twice. That must give him a clear mandate for something. He wasn't elected in a vacuum and he wasn't elected without a platform
Yesterday ,without the authority of a law passed by Congress, the emperor announced the creation of so called myRA's .If there is ANY appropriations of Federal money involved then the Constitution requires the law to originate in the House of Reps. It's too f'n bad that the emperor hasn't the ability to work with Congress . He's not the 1st President who has had to deal with an opposition party majority in Congress. They all managed to do the job without resorting to dicatorial methods .
Hello again,
excon wins this round.
I did not say EOs aren't legit under the proper circumstances . But when the President uses them to make law then it is an unconstitutional application of the executive power.
It doesn't suprise me at all that Roosevelt is the one who most abused them. SCOTUS had to smack down his whole original recovery plan.
good research EX it seems the right was hoisted on their own pitard, if you read the speech Tom you would have seen where he said he would do it within existing legislation, given the amount of verbage you guys churn out that is a lot of wriggle room
tell me what legislation was passed that permits him to set up a new retirement instrument . This MyRA plan has to be created from the taxing authority , which the constitution empowers to Congress.
How Obama's 'myRA' retirement accounts will work - Jan. 29, 2014
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Obama's annual budget will again include a separate proposal to automatically enroll workers in IRA accounts, a long-touted plan which would require Congressional approval. "This is a start," John said. "Without the actions of Congress, there is a limit on what can be done." http://i.cdn.turner.com/money/images/bug.gif
Tom there is probably some obscure clause somewhere, challenge it in the court and you will find out
I don't have " standing " ...the biggest obstruction to challenging the law in court is that the person bringing the action has got to be harmed by the law.
So why issue an EO ? Just for the show ? I don't think he would have any issue asking Congress to create myRA's if that is what he wants .Quote:
Obama's annual budget will again include a separate proposal to automatically enroll workers in IRA accounts, a long-touted plan which would require Congressional approval. "This is a start," John said. "Without the actions of Congress, there is a limit on what can be done." http://i.cdn.turner.com/money/images/bug.gif
Personally I think this is the precursor to the long time Dem plan of confiscating private retirement accounts and converting them to govt managed accounts.
Makes perfect sense for the third of lower income Americans who watched the 401K plans lose money Tom. More so to the people who have no 401k at the job to begin with. Not only do you not lose your investment to"market" conditions, you actually make a habit of saving, and can get actual payroll deductions as small as 5 bucks and 25 to get you started with an option to rollover into a regular IRA later.
Why wait for congress to figure it out?
McDonald’s Supersized 401(k) Match - Planning to Retire (usnews.com)
Government bonds are the best investment in the world. No matter what Wall Street does.Quote:
“You can put away a nice nest egg for you and your family, depending on how long you stay at this company," Kenny Sanders, a human resources manager for McDonald's overseeing 76 company-owned stores, told BusinessWeek.
Wow, even socialist Canada doesn't do that.Quote:
converting them to govt managed accounts.
it may or may not make sense. I haven't offered an opinion on the merits .
In our country Congress passes law and has the power to levy taxes NOT the Presidency . Clearly this myRA would have to be administered in part by the IRS because of the deferals( while the money stays in the fund, it won't be taxed )
But since you asked .... I think it is a sneaky way to get the poor to finance the gvt debt. The so called safe investment option is purchasing Federal Bonds that yield less than the rate of inflation.
The minimum wage yield is less than the rate of inflation, and Wall Street is subject to market conditions. I would think servicing the debt and guaranteeing principle return would a capitalist dream. Just because a rich guy can't make a few bucks on the poor guy doesn't make it a bad idea.
Have you forgotten the global meltdown? More options and opportunity for the less than rich may make TR Price and Fidelity fix their broken capitalist business model.
yawn ... what is the emperor going to do next ,compel workers to invest in these instruments ? ....oh yeah ,that's already been established as one of his goals .
The Dems have had the Teresa Ghilarducci plan on the back burner since 2008 .Quote:
Wow, even socialist Canada doesn't do that.
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