Ask Me Help Desk

Ask Me Help Desk (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/forum.php)
-   Current Events (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=486)
-   -   Obamacare 3.0 (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?t=745977)

  • Sep 13, 2013, 07:04 AM
    smoothy
    Obama is already a punk... all anyone has to do is point it out anytime Mister Bobblehead struts into a room.
  • Sep 13, 2013, 07:12 AM
    tomder55
    That's because a bunch of Repubics in Congress forget why the people gave them the majority in 2010. It's very simple... send a continuing resolution from the House that funds the government but defunds Obamacare . When the Senate balks ,or the President vetoes it will be the Dems that shut the government down.
  • Sep 13, 2013, 07:18 AM
    talaniman
    Actually he has been punkin' you righty's for years and making you squeal. What you think nobody knows that? Everybody knows that even you guys as he has taken your best shots and is still doing his thing.

    Don't like admitting your own failures do you, chief of which was making him a one term president.

    That makes you guys the punks. You losers. That's not a criticism, just a fact. Chew on that even if you don't want to swallow. Don't dare try to spit it out or you get more shoved down your throats. My bad, you will get more whether you swallow or not.
  • Sep 13, 2013, 07:38 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:
    Quote:

    When the Senate balks ,or the President vetoes it will be the Dems that shut the government down.
    Like Romney BELIEVED, with ALL his heart and soul, that he was going to win, I HOPE you believe your own tripe too.

    Because the TRUTH is, if you shut the government down, or cause us to default, the country will pay you back with massive defeats in both houses and the presidency. You may very well be OUT of power for the next 40 years.

    Then we can get back to fixing what you destroyed.

    Excon
  • Sep 13, 2013, 08:23 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Actually he has been punkin' you righty's for years and making you squeal. What you think nobody knows that? Everybody knows that even you guys as he has taken your best shots and is still doing his thing.

    Don't like admitting your own failures do you, chief of which was making him a one term president.

    That makes you guys the punks. You losers. That's not a criticism, just a fact. Chew on that even if you don't want to swallow. Don't dare try to spit it out or you get more shoved down your throats. My bad, you will get more whether you swallow or not.

    The nation has already had plenty shoved down it's throats by the Obots .
  • Sep 16, 2013, 07:15 AM
    speechlesstx
    You were telling us exactly how wonderful this Zerocare thing is supposed to be?

    Quote:

    A MNsure employee accidentally sent an e-mail file to an Apple Valley insurance broker’s office on Thursday that contained Social Security numbers, names, business addresses and other identifying information on more than 2,400 insurance agents.

    An official at MNsure, the state’s new online health insurance exchange, acknowledged it had mishandled private data. A MNsure security manager called the broker, Jim Koester, and walked him and his assistant through a process of deleting the file from their computer hard drives.
    That's comforting. We all know unions aren't happy with it, congressional staffers don't want it, IRS employees don't want it, now we have a survey of federal employees telling us the obvious...

    Quote:

    Who knew that when President Obama promised, “If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period,” he was only referring to federal employees … and himself?

    A new survey of 2,500 federal employees and retirees found that 92.3 percent believe federal workers should keep their current health insurance and not be forced into ObamaCare. Only 2.9 percent say they should become part of the new health insurance exchanges.

    I suspect a similar percentage of private sector employees would also like to keep their coverage, but most won’t get that option. What I’d like to know is how many of those federal employees so eager to avoid ObamaCare themselves supported forcing everyone else in it.

    There’s more. The survey, conducted by FedSmith.com, “an information portal for sources of information impacting the federal community and those interested in the Federal Government’s activities,” found that 96.1 percent think federal retirees should be able to stay with their retirement health insurance. Only 3.9 percent think they should get “Medicare in lieu of their current option.”

    To put it simply: Federal employees and retires almost unanimously prefer to stay in their generous taxpayer-funded health insurance program, known as the Federal Employees Health Benefit Plan (FEHBP), rather than being dumped into liberalism’s two greatest monuments to government-run health insurance, ObamaCare and Medicare.

    Speaks volumes, doesn’t it?
    Yes, but no one is listening and they don't care. Onward over the cliff...
  • Sep 16, 2013, 07:18 AM
    talaniman
    Ask them if they would rather have a voucher like you guys want them to have? They rejected that too.

    14 days to go.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 07:18 AM
    paraclete
    I heard the US is going to shut down on October 1 how stupid is that
  • Sep 16, 2013, 07:20 AM
    tomder55
    We've shut the gvt down before... what people discovered was how little it was missed .
  • Sep 16, 2013, 07:34 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Ask them if they would rather have a voucher like you guys want them to have? They rejected that too.

    14 days to go.

    Yep, the total clusterfark is two weeks away.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 07:58 AM
    talaniman
    Jesse Helms said that about civil rights, and Reagan hollered against Medicare. Now you guys holler about the ACA, while Bachmann goes to the middle east and hollers about the Brotherhood taking down the Twin Towers.

    And your buddy Ted Cruz wishes there were 100 more senators like Jessie Helms. You guys seem to be clusterfarking for a long time already.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 08:25 AM
    speechlesstx
    There is only one party in charge of all the clusterfarks we got going for us now, and it starts with a d.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 08:51 AM
    smoothy
    How about EVERYONE that has gotten an exemption have them taken away... and FORCE Congress, The Senate... AND the WHite house and their staffs to have it too.

    If its so freakin great... let EVERYONE have it STARTING with the brain dead fools who wrote it and rammed it down our throats
  • Sep 16, 2013, 09:37 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    If its so freakin great...let EVERYONE have it STARTING with the brain dead fools who wrote it and rammed it down our throats

    “Let me be exactly clear about what health care reform means to you,” the president told residents of the Garden State. “First of all, if you’ve got health insurance, you like your doctors, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you."
  • Sep 16, 2013, 09:44 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    “Let me be exactly clear about what health care reform means to you,” the president told residents of the Garden State. “First of all, if you’ve got health insurance, you like your doctors, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you."

    I have ocean front property in Kansas to sell you if you believe that line of crap.

    The putrid POTUS also promissed it would save everyone money... (using figures he apparently pulled from his rectal orifice) because the Governments own estimates have more than TRIPLED the costs promised... and significantly reduced the numbers promised to be covered.

    You also need to talk to the many medical professionals who have or will be closing up their practices... rather than operate at a loss.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 09:45 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    “Let me be exactly clear about what health care reform means to you,” the president told residents of the Garden State. “First of all, if you’ve got health insurance, you like your doctors, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you."

    He may not have been talking about it but the evidence is quite clear that most will not be able to keep their plan - except federal employees.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 10:00 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    He may not have been talking about it but the evidence is quite clear that most will not be able to keep their plan - except federal employees.

    We shall see, we shall see.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 10:24 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    We shall see, we shall see.

    You don't need to wait... there are already businessis dropping their medical plans for employees or cutting hours. How can they possibly keep them?
  • Sep 16, 2013, 10:25 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    You don't need to wait....there are already businessis dropping their medical plans for employees or cutting hours. How can they possibly keep them?

    They are over-reacting.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 10:26 AM
    excon
    Hello again,

    The right wingers in congress voted to repeal Obamacare 41 times.. Not ONCE did they offer an amendment to fix it, or to offer a plan... It's just squeal and repeal...

    The funny part is, it IS law, and it won't be repealed. What's funnier still that your party is going to DESTROY itself over it.

    excon
  • Sep 16, 2013, 10:28 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    They are over-reacting.

    Do you watch the news?. Trader Joes and Forever 21 are just two of the latest that have been on the news... there are far more that haven't made the news.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 10:29 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    The right wingers in congress voted to repeal Obamacare 41 times.. Not ONCE did they offer an amendment to fix it, or to offer a plan... It's just squeal and repeal...

    The funny part is, it IS law, and it won't be repealed. What's funnier still that your party is going to DESTROY itself over it.

    excon

    You can't fix something that's this badly broken... it was stillborn from the very beginning. Thank Nancy Pelosi and YOUR side for such a historical screwup.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 10:33 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    You can't fix something thats this badly broken..........it was stillborn from the very beginning. Thank Nancy Pelosi and YOUR side for such a historical screwup.

    Isn't that what was said about Medicare and SS?
  • Sep 16, 2013, 10:36 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Isn't that what was said about Medicare and SS?

    No... it wasn't. Not even the democrat leadership likes it... thats why they are running away from it too. Not ONE of them has it or will have it.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 10:41 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    No...it wasn't. Not even the democrat leadership likes it...thats why they are running away from it too. Not ONE of them has it or will have it.

    I like them. Hope they don't disappear before I do.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 10:46 AM
    talaniman
    It's for people who don't have it, or can't afford it. Why are you crying? You're happy with what YOU have, aren't you?
  • Sep 16, 2013, 10:55 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    It's for people who don't have it, or can't afford it. Why are you crying? You're happy with what YOU have, aren't you?

    Let the cheap SOB's pay for it themselves... or stop breeding.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:03 AM
    talaniman
    They do have to pay for it themselves, and if you righties stop closing legal abortion clinics there would be less breeding.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:12 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    We shall see, we shall see.

    Come on, the examples in this thread alone are proof enough that most people will not get to keep the plans they had.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:23 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    They do have to pay for it themselves, and if you righties stop closing legal abortion clinics there would be less breeding.

    Right... thats what you want us to think... but the fact is that's not true... many of them will get it free or subsidized... that means someone else is getting shafted picking up the bill... thats those of us who actually work for a living AND pay taxes... unlike them.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:29 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Right....thats what you want us to think....but the fact is thats not true....many of them will get it free or subsidized....that means someone else is getting shafted picking up the bill....thats those of us who actually work for a living AND pay taxes...unlike them.

    Then let's start a major campaign to teach young girls to value themselves enough to not get pregnant by any cute and horny teen guy who comes along.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:31 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Then let's start a major campaign to teach young girls to value themselves enough to not get pregnant by any cute and horny teen guy who comes along.

    That only works if the targeted audience is intelligent enough to listen... most of them aren't. Because its been tried... they think they know everything already.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:34 AM
    talaniman
    Romney tried that rhetoric and he lost.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:35 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    That only works if the targeted audience is intelligent enough to listen.....most of them aren't. Because its been tried....they think they know everything already.

    Then we will keep after them and not give up. I'm think this could be a wonderful bipartisan effort with pizza parties and songs and hand clapping.

    And we could change Hollywood and the media along with it!
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:36 AM
    smoothy
    Tal you are in a seriously SMALL minorrity that likes or even wants Obamacare... not even a majority of Democrats want it know they know the truth about it.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:37 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Then we will keep after them and not give up. I'm think this could be a wonderful bipartisan effort with pizza parties and songs and hand clapping.

    Only if you first can find a cure for the ignorance and arrogance of youth. Because that has to be surmounted before anything changes.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:47 AM
    talaniman
    For the millionth time, only an idiot would be mad at someone else getting what most of us have and paying for it themselves.

    The alternative is we go back to paying for them to get what they should have had themselves. Can't believe you are for that.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:49 AM
    speechlesstx
    I cannot tell you how many times I have read, heard and watched some lib wagging their finger at us telling us to keep the government out of our bedrooms. Well my liberal friends, I expect some outrage over this...

    Quote:

    Obamacare will question your sex life

    ‘Are you sexually active? If so, with one partner, multiple partners or same-sex partners?”

    Be ready to answer those questions and more the next time you go to the doctor, whether it’s the dermatologist or the cardiologist and no matter if the questions are unrelated to why you’re seeking medical help. And you can thank the Obama health law.

    “This is nasty business,” says New York cardiologist Dr. Adam Budzikowski. He called the sex questions “insensitive, stupid and very intrusive.” He couldn’t think of an occasion when a cardiologist would need such information — but he knows he’ll be pushed to ask for it.
    It's none of their damn business. Right?

    Quote:

    The president’s “reforms” aim to turn doctors into government agents, pressuring them financially to ask questions they consider inappropriate and unnecessary, and to violate their Hippocratic Oath to keep patients’ records confidential.

    Embarrassing though it may be, you confide things to a doctor you wouldn’t tell anyone else. But this is entirely different.

    Doctors and hospitals who don’t comply with the federal government’s electronic-health-records requirements forgo incentive payments now; starting in 2015, they’ll face financial penalties from Medicare and Medicaid. The Department of Health and Human Services has already paid out over $12.7 billion for these incentives.

    Dr. Richard Amerling, a nephrologist and associate professor at Albert Einstein Medical College, explains that your medical record should be “a story created by you and your doctor solely for your treatment and benefit.” But the new requirements are turning it “into an interrogation, and the data will not be confidential.”

    Lack of confidentiality is what concerned the New York Civil Liberties Union in a 2012 report. Electronic medical records have enormous benefits, but with one click of a mouse, every piece of information in a patient’s record, including the social history, is transmitted, disclosing too much.
    Add the massive expansion of government snooping and I'd say your guy has virtually shredded your right to privacy and mine.

    That's not all, this is for you ex...

    Quote:

    The social-history questions also include whether you’ve ever used drugs, including IV drugs. As the NYCLU cautioned, revealing a patient’s past drug problem, even if it was a decade ago, risks stigma.
    Why does the government need to know this stuff? Come on, convince me some more how Zerocare isn't a clusterfark.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:50 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Tal you are in a seriously SMALL minorrity that likes or even wants Obamacare....not even a majority of Democrats want it know they know the truth about it.

    Forgive me for doubting the veracity of YOUR truth. The last repeal vote didn't reflect that, quite the opposite.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:50 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Only if you first can find a cure for the ignorance and arrogance of youth. Because that has to be surmounted before anything changes.

    We youths back in the '50s and '60s were ignorant and arrogant (in our own way) but 99% of us didn't get pregnant. What changed since then? (Miley Cyrus isn't helping.)

  • All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:26 AM.