Maybe it's genes from my German ancestors who were farmers and Lutheran pastors.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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Maybe it's genes from my German ancestors who were farmers and Lutheran pastors.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
No, you got to own that comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
But she was so annoying! It's her fault. She made me want to do it!Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Also, Chicago will be focusing on time-tested “softer” approaches to youth violence, including connecting isolated young people with adult mentors, treating violence as a public health problem, offering new jobs programs for unemployed teens, and coordinating resources for at-risk kids in schools. Basketball has become a way to get gangs to meet and greet and cooperate and socialize.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Good luck with that . You should really consider Stop and Frisk. NYC with a much bigger population has fewer murders . And before anyone who supports violations of the 2nd amendment gets on a soap box about 4th amendment violations ;stop and frisk has already been adjudicated in SCOTUS. (Terry v. Ohio)
You're just digging the hole deeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Its approval is very limited. So how does it stop anything? Is it just the thought they can be found out that is holding the perps at bay ?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Yes ,it's approval is indeed limited ,but successful.
There was a 19% decrease in the number of murders last year.
NYC has had 414 murders so far in 2012, down 18.5%, NYPD credits
The use went down as the murder rate dropped.
I think it's the deterrence that makes a difference. Critics argue that it disproportionately targets minorities and minority communities. That may be true. But 2 factors should be considered . The 1st is that these areas are the high crime areas. Also it is the minority communities that are more often the victims of these murders. 90 percent of the persons murdered in New York are black or Hispanic young men, those are the people whose lives are being saved .
Hello again,
Why mess around with stop and frisk? I'd go full on police state.. That'll stop crime.. They're BOTH against the 4th Amendment, but if you're going to VIOLATE it, you might as well be EFFECTIVE..
excon
From the one that accepts violations of the 2nd .Gee why not go all out and ban all guns... That would be much more effective .
Finally! You see things my way!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Not going to work.. not without a full on armed rebellion (that's WHY we have a 2nd amendment for in the first place). And not even most of the lefties are going to back that when the realize they aren't exempted from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
How many rounds would a merchant need to deter this ?
Flash Mob Mayhem: Violent Groups Of Teens Leave Neighborhoods Worried « CBS New York
One man with an ozizi should be enough as long as he is prepared to stand trial for multiple cases of premeditated murder. You see Tom there is self defense and there there is something else, probably one shot fired in the air is enough to stop it in its tracks but if one offender has a gun...Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Makes me very thankful for where I live.Quote:
how many rounds would a merchant need to deter this ?
Flash Mob Mayhem: Violent Groups Of Teens Leave Neighborhoods Worried « CBS New York
I agree karma we should be thankfull for such mercies
Unfortunately their problem won't be solved by more guns or less guns.
That wouldn't be premeditated murder... that would be self defense... HUGE difference between the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Very few places does the attacker HAVE to even have a weapon before you can use deadly force to protect yourself or property.
Have you intentionally left something out of the sentence? Is there something that doesn't need to be included in this sentence?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
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And what will solve all the problems in Canada?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
You can start a thread for that if you wish. I'm not sure how any of our issues affect your gun control debate. We do have problems with low maple syrup production last year and the coming one.Quote:
And what will solve all the problems in Canada?
And I have no idea how your constant digs at the US is productive for anything other than keeping your ego inflated.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
It wasn't a dig at the US. It was a rational opinion of what the solution does or does not entail.
Does more guns fix the violence problem? Does less guns fix it?
Keeping guns out of criminal hands is the problem,and straw purchases outside the cities that ban those guns is what needs an immediate fix. Many mayors including in Chicago have recognized these conditions as making their problem a bigger one. Poverty is another. Probably the biggest driver for losing youth to alternative lifestyles that do more harm than good.
I may be for parents having MORE influence over choices by their kids, but lets face it, those parents indeed fall short themselves and often face failed support systems within their communities that adds to an already bad problem. I mean kids know when they are not being supervised properly, and when they are left to their own devices regularly, its easy to see
How they can be led astray,or seek out what an absent parent does not provide.
If you think that more guns and less government is the answer, you are asking for disaster. Its much more complex than spending less on people and more for business, and small government. That may sound perfect if you already have something to build on but leaves behind those who have had nothing to build on or look forward to for generations.
It use to be a thoughtful balance between the right and left, now the right is adamant that we go all the way their way for a weak effective government, and profits before people. And only a few, including the right wingers can survive in such an environment.
I think that ship has sailed. There are enough guns in circulation in the US to make that option almost impossible to successfully work.Quote:
Keeping guns out of criminal hands is the problem
Dude, you raise Chicago as an example?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Yeah. The fact that lefties really don't care much about what the law is, or what the Constitution or BIll of Rights says. They will say anything they want because in their imaginary world anything they want at that immediate moment is what they feel it SHOULD be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
You actually believe that crap? At the volumes they ship drugs to keep you brothers and sisters satisfied you think guns wouldn't be able to be moved with the same degree of efficiency? Or that under or unemployed mechanics, metalworkers and machinists couldn't make them domestically?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
THe reality is if you took metalshop in high school and didn't flunk out with basic metalworking tools Joe Average could easily fabricate a crude but effective machine gun with hand tools and scrap metal... with a fully functioning supressor.
Funny that, I don't remember many news reports that say the murder was committed with a homemade gun. LOL. More nonsense.Quote:
THe reality is if you took metalshop in high school and didn't flunk out with basic metalworking tools Joe Average could easily fabricate a crude but effective machine gun with hand tools and scrap metal... with a fully functioning supressor.
Or a 3D printer...Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
It uses somewhat malleable plastic but I guess that could be used as mold.Quote:
Or a 3D printer...
Well you have just proven you are worse informed and more clueless about this than you even appear to be...Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Try Google... you will be surprised what you can turn up. You might even find it enlightening. Detailed Plans and drawings. And the truly inept can forgo making their own gun and just make their own explosives... that would require even less skill or ability... that latter being something that would be easier for the average liberal to pull off anyway.
Because after all... we know crime doesn't exist in Canada... everyone leaves their keys in their cars, houses unlocked and banks don't need safes. Nobody cooks up Meth or other drugs, it's a veritable Utopia...
All right, show me reports.Quote:
Try Google... you will be surprised what you can turn up.
Functional gus have been already printed using 3D printers (I know of only a couple however thus far)... most commercial guns use forgings... not castings... castings are inherently weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
You would use a mold for a casting... forgings require dies which require a great deal of skill to make. Well beyond someone working in their basement or garage.
Ok, show me some proof.Quote:
Functional gus have been printed using 3D printers.
I know the theory exists. Smoothy is trying to say that people are already doing it and committing crimes with these weapons. Which is not the case but he persists with it.
Typical liberal... puting words in other peoples mouths...Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Show me where exactly I said crimes were already be committed using 3d printer created guns?
What I said was there have been several functional guns made with 3d printers. Its not theory... its already been done several times so its scientific fact, it stops being theory once its been done and proven to work.
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Still waiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Um, "homemade" does not necessarily mean with a 3D printer. People have used "homemade" guns for a long, long time and yes, to commit crimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Apparently that's hasn't an issue for a long, long time? Why is it allowed? Likely because very. Very few people have actually done this.
Still waiting for smoothy to wow me with his Google finds.
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