Tal, like I said there will be no Voter ID law that is NOT dragged to court because there is NOTHING that would satisfy the left.
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Tal, like I said there will be no Voter ID law that is NOT dragged to court because there is NOTHING that would satisfy the left.
A year or two before an election would not be fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Speech, the court made the final decision, not the left, we only made the case. Presented the facts, and you guys presented YOUR FACTS, didn't they?
That's the court process, based on FACTS of the case.
I already showed SC's law has been in the works for almost 4 years, there is no time frame that would prevent a court challenge.
If they can't get it straight in 4 years they probably are doing something really wrong, and never will get it RIGHT (enough) for the courts!!
Nah ;that isn't it. You guys wouldn't have made nearly the stink if it was a half year before the 2013 elections . Your issues are only with this election.
Wrong, we make a stink about EVERYTHING you guys do that stinks, be it an election or a law!
Hey you guys do the same thing don't you? Sure you do.
No, I'm happy we got bin Laden, just not thrilled with Team O spiking the ball.
Hello again,
The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected a last-gasp appeal by Ohio Republicans and approved early voting for Ohio residents on the weekend before Election Day. I believe I suggested they rule LONG before voting day, and they did. In fact, I think he only filed his brief yesterday.
Ohio's Secretary of State John Husted had refused to enforce last week's appellate court decision, in which a three-judge panel came down on the side of the Obama campaign and blocked a law that would have limited early voting.
Husted remained adamant that Ohioans should not be allowed to vote on that weekend, which was a prime voting period for minorities in the 2008 election.
The Supreme Court's order was one line long: "The application for stay presented to Justice [Elena] Kagan and by her referred to the Court is denied."
Poor Republicans..
excon
Get those campaign buses rolling... vote early ,vote often !
Yes Tom vote as often as you can
Hello again:
Ohio's Republican Secretary of State had THREE shots at finding a judge who LIKES his efforts at voter suppression.. He didn't find ANY, even on the Supreme Court.
Nonetheless, even though he's been ORDERED to keep early voting as it is, he's decided to limit the hours the polls will stay open anyway. Long lines are expected...
Can you tell me, in simple English, what legitimate state interest there is in doing that?
excon
Or the purpose of putting up billboards that still say you need ID to vote?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/1...-registrations
http://blogs.philadelphiaweekly.com/...d-on-voter-id/
http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/20...iscussion=true
http://spaninquis.wordpress.com/2012...publican-scam/
So much for integrity.
Hello again, voter suppression DENIERS:
Anybody?? Hellooooo..Quote:
Hello again:
Ohio's Republican Secretary of State had THREE shots at finding a judge who LIKES his efforts at voter suppression.. He didn't find ANY, even on the Supreme Court.
Nonetheless, even though he's been ORDERED to keep early voting as it is, he's decided to limit the hours the polls will stay open anyway. Long lines are expected...
Can you tell me, in simple English, what legitimate state interest there is in doing that?
Excon
Excon
Dude, we've been over the reasons, repeating them won't sway you. Meanwhile...
And this from the Pew Research Center:Quote:
Fla. Republicans receiving fake ineligibility letters aimed at suppressing their vote
The Florida Department of State’s Division of Elections is investigating a number of fraudulent letters sent to voters in the state questioning their citizenship and voter eligibility, in a possible attempt to keep them home on Election Day.
“The Florida Department of State unequivocally opposes all attempts at voter fraud or intimidation and will pursue every avenue to ensure free, fair and open elections for all eligible voters,” Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner said in a statement. “Voter fraud and intimidation can deny voters their voice in government and will not be tolerated.”
The statement alerted the public of the fraudulent letters, which claim to be from Florida election officials and imply that the recipient might be ineligible to vote.
Charles Callaghan, a Republican from Ponte Vedra, received one of the fraudulent letters Saturday.
“Basically, when I read the letter, I got the impression that I was not going to be able to vote, because my citizenship was being questioned,” Callaghan told The Daily Caller. “I wasn’t quite sure why it would be, because I was born in the United States, and I’ve always been a United States citizen, and nothing has changed in my life … that would cause my citizenship to be called into question.”
Callaghan noticed that his letter lacked a return address and included faulty contact information and a Seattle, Washington postmark.
“I said to my wife, somebody is just trying to keep me from voting,” Callaghan said. “To put that doubt in my mind that I can’t vote and then not give me a way that I could dispute it — because they didn’t give me a phone number or address — they are thinking I am going to get frustrated and just not go vote. ”
- Approximately 24 million—one of every eight—voter registrations in the United States are no longer valid or are significantly inaccurate.
- More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters.
- Approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.
I still object to the possibility my legitimate vote will be canceled out by some fraudster. But then there is no voter fraud, right?
Hello again, Steve:
Then you DO believe voter suppression efforts are underway. You just believe it's the OTHER guys... Bwa, ha ha.. Do you want me to find the voter information pamphlet that gives the CORRECT date to vote in English, but the WRONG one in Spanish? Now, it COULD be typo... But, I'm not going to look because that's exactly what you'll claim..
As long as we leave the elections to partisans, this stuff is going to happen. I think TUT called for nationalization of the elections.. That may NOT be a bad idea.
excon
I've made the point that dirty tricks happen, and that both parties participate in them. All the more reason for a state recognized photo id .
I don't believe nationalization is a constitutional option. Cooperation between the states would be good, I mean don't we have enough computing power to share voter rolls and flag duplicates? And yes, I've always acknowledged it on both sides so you can drop that straw man but I believe I've asked that of you before. Voter ID protects my vote AND your vote and like the majority of Americans believe it is a reasonable safeguard, in spite of the 1 percent who may have to finally prove who they are.
Photo ID doesn't prevent registration fraud, absentee fraud, or any other dirty trick in the book. So much for election integrity.
How would you know Tal, you refuse to give it a chance.
No one in this thread has objected to voter ID. In fact, everyone has been for it. The objection has been to the timing and process of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Tal can speak for himself.
I haven't refused at all, just DEMAND the process of implementation be fair and efficient!!Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
You think its okay to bake a cake using MUD??
Quote:
As long as we leave the elections to partisans, this stuff is going to happen. I think TUT called for nationalization of the elections.. That may NOT be a bad idea.
Is there anything the left doesn't want nationalized ? Health care ,the auto industry ,education ;and now elections .Quote:
I don't believe nationalization is a constitutional option
Hello again, tom:
I'm a free market kind of guy... I ALSO support the Constitution. But, I'm not STUPID. I believe in local control until local control sticks it up my a$$.. Then it's time for the feds to step in... That's true in health care, and that's true in local elections... I'm reminded of the federal troops that stepped in when Alabama was sticking it up my a$$ too. I LOVED it.
I believe YOUR side is the one who's sniveling about the integrity of the vote... You should champion nationalization.. But, you don't want integrity... You want the dirty tricks playing field left to yourself..
excon
Nope ;I want integrity of the franchise . That means ID . That means taking dead people off the voter rolls . But of course if you turn a blind eye to the problem you will never see the problem.
We are all in favor of voter ID.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Tom I don't think you need to worry about dead people on the rolls, it's the zombies you elect you have to worry about
Operative linked to voter registration fraud still working for GOP? - Salon.com
Integrity? Of course Acorn was defunded for less, but this guy is still getting paid. Where is the integrity?
We know where it ain't though!
I don't buy it one bit.Quote:
We are all in favor of voter ID.
Me neither since in the 1st 60+ response the argument was against the need for oneQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3183557-post66.html
That was not a vote against it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Why would someone argue there is no need for one while supporting it anyway? Doesn't make sense. At all.
Hello again, Steve:
Have you ever heard of the word, process? I think not.
excon
There is "no need for it" two months before an election.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Have either of you ever heard of the word "dodge."
Dodge what? You don't do something so complicated just before an election. You do it a year or more ahead of time so everyone who is eligible to vote can do so in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Well that answered my question.
No your answer is the one the courts have been telling you, go back to the drawing board and get a better process going.
Obama and the democrats are not the ones rejecting your new law, the COURTS did. They just pointed out the flaws and inefficiencies and the court obviously agreed!
What is a resonable time frame ? The PA law was passed in the spring. I suspect the time frame would've been fine any other year . Your guys played prevent defense and delay... and then complain there isn't enough time .
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