Easy, I'm on the side of right which doesn't cower to Islam when it comes to women's rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
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Easy, I'm on the side of right which doesn't cower to Islam when it comes to women's rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
2012 Massachusetts President: Romney vs. Obama
Your assertion would be more credible if a mother of 4 working minimum wage was tauting mittens, not some employee, and the race, gender doesn't matter. Also if there were a bunch of 'em, not just one.
Mittens may not win in the state he has done soooooo much for.
The war on women has really come alive with the suggestion that the candidate really has nothing to do with their choice, basically they think with their vagina
CNN uproar over story linking women's voting to menstrual cycle
Well you know what Evita would say... suck it up .Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
http://www.sheknows.com/entertainmen...-and-work-hard
Edit... didn't see that Speechless already addressed this . Her comments were in the context of one of her State Dept professionals quiting and writing a big essay in the Atlantic about how hard it is.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...it-all/309020/
I'm a father and a have a job and I don't whine about it. Hilary is right.
Not true ;we just claim that they all suck . It is in our history . We like our politics this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
The nicest thing said about Lincoln was that he was a country bumpkin .Ike was called a bumbling fool who is lazy and incapable of understanding the complexity of the world. Yes the same Ike that led the most complex military coalition the world has ever seen. Andrew Jackson's wife was accused of being a prostitute, The allegation was that Grover Cleveland had illegitimate children.
Jefferson and Adams used surrogates in the press (pamphleteers... the bloggers of their day) to slander each other while pretending to be above the fray . Jefferson side said Adams was a "hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman." Adams side countered that Jefferson was "a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw sired by a Virginia mulatto father."
The 2 men were best of friends and maintained a cordial relationship until they both died on July 4,1826 ;the 50th Anniversary of the Declaration of Independence ;a document they both signed.
The founders would approve of this contest (except perhaps Washington) . They paid lip service to the idea that politicians should be citizen statesmen and claimed to detest party politics. But it took less than a decade for them to split into factions and become life time professional politicians themselves.
What they did have in common however was an inherent distrust of central power of the government. If there is any change from our founding ,that is the big difference.
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Originally Posted by tomder55
No he didn't address in the correct fashion.The article by Professor Slaughter is not a essay on hostile work places.
Clinton didn't read the essay either. She is not complaining about suffering from some sort of paralysis about the choices she has made.
Tut
I never suggested Slaughter's essay was on hostile work places. The only link to her essay was in regard to Romney being "flexible so women in his employ could balance work and life at home" as opposed to Hillary calling them whiners.Quote:
No he didn't address in the correct fashion.The article by Professor Slaughter is not a essay on hostile work places.
Clinton didn't read the essay either. She is not complaining about suffering from some sort of paralysis about the choices she has made.
If the boss thinks you're a whiner for wanting to take care of your job and your family THAT hints at a hostile work place which is what one former administration staffer called it. I made all the correct links.
Are you a woman, too? Men and women are different you know.Quote:
I'm a father and a have a job and I don't whine about it. Hilary is right.
There is only one candidate talking about poverty, unemployment and helping Americans make ends meet... and it isn't Obama.Quote:
Your assertion would be more credible if a mother of 4 working minimum wage was tauting mittens, not some employee, and the race, gender doesn't matter. Also if there were a bunch of 'em, not just one
York: Romney, not Obama, shows concern for nation's poor
Romney talks about it but offers no platform point at all i.e. he has no plans to address the issue: Issues | Mitt Romney for President
Nowhere there does he mention poverty.
That's the problem, Romney talks and Obama does. How many Chinese workers have American jobs because of Mitt? Keep counting because he is still doing it!!
Actions speak louder than words, and FACTS trump campaign speeches!!
You guys are in denial. Romney is actually talking about issue that matter while that petulant poser is talking Big Bird, binders and bayonets.
Petulant poser!!
So instead of showing us where Romney has plans to deal with poverty you decide to go into attack mode by showing a video of why Obama is a poser because he goes into attack mode? LOL! You guys are worth the price od admission to this forum!
Don't know how Romney is responsible for job losses to China while he hasn't been in management in Bain is 2001 .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Anyway ,582,000 manufacturing jobs have been lost to China and India since Obama has been in office . Clearly Romney's fault.
If you weren't so busy passing abortion bills and tax cuts to the job creators that haven't created jobs, we would have closed those loopholes by now, and brought those jobs back already.
Of course you blame the democrats for those companies closing American plants for Chinese and Indian sweat shops.
And you think having a buyout specialist for president will change all that? Mitts solution is to bring sweat shops here.
No, watching you dodge and flail and jerk is worth the price of admission.Quote:
So instead of showing us where Romney has plans to deal with poverty you decide to go into attack mode by showing a video of why Obama is a poser because he goes into attack mode? LOL! You guys are worth the price od admission to this forum!
I post a link to Romney's site to talk about the issues and you think that's "dodge and flail and jerk". Oh well.
Hello again,
Let me ask my right wing friends a couple questions... Romney said he'd allow abortion in the case of rape. That's nice of him, but WHO is going to determine if the woman was actually raped? Are they going to take her word for it? Certainly not Todd Aiken.. According to HIM, being knocked up is PROOF she WASN'T raped.. The cops, maybe? Are they going to take the rapists word? Does the lady have to wait till a trial happens? What about an appeal?
About taking her word for it, you can't do THAT. Certainly, if a lady wants an abortion, and that's the only way to get one, she'll claim rape. That defeats the purpose, and you can't let 'em get away with THAT, now can you?
Inquiring minds want to know. I just want to know how you small government conservatives are going to manage this.
excon
You really think that many women are going to subject themselves to the legal and physical scrutiny that comes with a rape accusation just to get an abortion? No, they'll just go to Planned Parenthood, they don't much care about rules.
Hello again, Steve:
You misunderstand. If Romney and his ilk win, they WILL make abortion illegal EXCEPT for rape.. I don't know if you've been paying attention, but there's been a LOT of talk about it... I mean a LOT...
So, I'm just asking what happens IF Romney wins?? Oh, I know you don't think they'll make abortion illegal, and I don't know what planet you're living on.. But, humor me... Let's PRETEND.
But, you won't, will you. That's because you and Romney make PROCLAMATIONS without any plan or idea how to actually carry them out on the ground... That's why he won't tell us the details of his tax plan, and that's why you won't tell us the details of his/your abortion plan...
excon
No I still don't think abortion will ever be overturned. You guys just keep on trifling about Big Bird, binders, bayonets and a mythical war on women and we'll move forward with the economy and fighting the war on poverty and such.
Paul Ryan in Ohio: ‘In this war on poverty, poverty’s winning’
P.S. Women LOVE me.
This small govt guy would've left it for the states to decide. This small government guy would've let the people make laws ;not the courts .Then I'd have had my fight with my state .Quote:
I just want to know how you small government conservatives are going to manage this.
If the states have a squabble then they may need a court to settle it. As we see that's what's happened in several states already. That's their job isn't it? That's what civil societies do, have a civil way of settling disputes.
State or National.
Came across another interesting point of view about the Mourdock non-issue via Timothy P. Carney.
Go ahead, tear into me.Quote:
Back in August, for a column, I spent a day talking to women who had conceived or been conceived by rape. It was the most most emotionally exhausting day of my career. One woman I spoke to is now a mom. Her name is Jenni Maas. Jenni said her mother tells her “it was a horrible thing that happened, but this was a little light in her life.”
If you believe being pro-life like Donnelly is morally acceptable, but you find Mourdock’s comments to betray an unacceptable view, then what you find offensive or extreme is the notion that Jenni is as much a person as you are.
This is an interesting moral proposition on which the Democrats have chosen to run.
No tearing from me. I'm just not sure that every time I looked at my child, I would want to remember the rape and possibly see his face in the child's face.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, Steve:
Couple things... I would NEVER tear into you for your personal beliefs... I respect you. But, try to FORCE them on me, and I'll NEVER stop hassling you.Quote:
Go ahead, tear into me.
Secondarily, nobody is saying that fertilized eggs don't turn into good people... We ARE saying that a mother should NOT be FORCED by the state to have her rapist's baby.
You say the nanny state shouldn't force people to STOP eating at McDonald's, but you're FINE with the state doing that... Makes NO sense to me.
Excon
Actually, all I said was there was nothing evil about Mourdock's comment. Sometimes those babies become a Jenni.
I think the one who has to live with her decision should be the one to make the decision.
Can anyone just point out where I've ever said the woman shouldn't make the decision? Based on my words, not yours that is.Quote:
I think the one who has to live with her decision should be the one to make the decision
And while we're at it, in regards to your beef about not defunding PP because of the health care services they provide, seems WaPo has caught the Poser in another lie, his repeated claim that PP would no longer be providing mammograms under Romney. Well, they don't under Obama either.
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The problem here is that Planned Parenthood does not perform mammograms or even possess the necessary equipment to do so. As such, the organization certainly does not “provide” mammograms in the strict sense. Instead, its clinics provide referrals and direct low-income women toward resources to help pay for the procedure.
Can a woman get a mammogram without a referral?
Not that I know of (US).Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
So they do provide a service in that regard I guess.
You guys really work overtime to avoid the point, which is Obama lying to scare women into believing Romney will cut health care services that aren't being provided anyway.
But cover for the man, Obama, whose entire campaign is built on myths, lies, smears and fantasies.Quote:
The Facts
Obama has talked about Planned Parenthood’s supposed mammography services throughout his 2012 campaign. Here are a few examples of his remarks:
“When Governor Romney says that we should eliminate funding for Planned Parenthood, there are millions of women all across the country who rely on Planned Parenthood for not just contraceptive care. They rely on it for mammograms, for cervical cancer screenings.”
— Obama during second presidential debate, Oct. 16, 2012
“When people say we should get rid of Planned Parenthood, they’re not just talking about restricting a woman’s ability to make her own health-care decisions; they’re talking about denying, as a practical matter, the preventive care like mammograms that millions of women rely on.”
— Obama during White House Forum on Women and the Economy, April 6, 2012
“In many of these states Planned Parenthood is your only possible access to not only abortion but pap smears, cervical cancer screenings, mammograms. It is a place where women who may not otherwise have the means can take care of their own bodies.”
— Obama interview with Glamour magazine, October 2012
The problem here is that Planned Parenthood does not perform mammograms or even possess the necessary equipment to do so. As such, the organization certainly does not “provide” mammograms in the strict sense. Instead, its clinics provide referrals and direct low-income women toward resources to help pay for the procedure.
PP, on a sliding scale and at low cost, teaches women, especially women who don't have health insurance, how to examine themselves and what to watch for regarding cancerous growth, weird bleeding, etc. If Romney eliminates PP/undercuts its services, he will do a huge disservice to our country.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
One dodge after another.Quote:
PP, on a sliding scale and at low cost, teaches women, especially women who don't have health insurance, how to examine themselves and what to watch for regarding cancerous growth, weird bleeding, etc. If Romney eliminates PP/undercuts its services, he will do a huge disservice to our country.
How so? Where would your wife go if you were uninsured and making $3,000 or less a year?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Irrelevance.Quote:
How so?
Yes. But the usual route is to have a doctor order one and then the doctor and specialist review the results. Most of the time the family physician is the frontline for ordering tests. But a patient could order a test and sign papers without a doctors permission and have a test done.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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