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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I want the explanation coming out of your brain, in your own words.

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why would you want that, do you really want insight into how he thinks

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I went to a Bible college for FOUR years.

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And you don't know how faith does not earn??? Really???

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We're not talking about salvation. We're talking about God's unconditional love for us.

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We are talking about both and how God loves everyone but does not save everyone.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

why would you want that, do you really want insight into how he thinks

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I'm getting a sense of that. We started with peanut butter crackers and are moving along the snack table toward the braunschweiger dip.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

We are talking about ... how God loves everyone but does not save everyone.

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That's not very loving.

free will

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Originally Posted by tomder55

free will

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God gave us that. And He's going to send people to hell for using it?

Read your Bible and find out.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Read your Bible and find out.

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So you have no answer.

You first need to find out why faith does not earn. Don’t get ahead of yourself. Romans 1-4.

Incredible how Jl changes the topic and goes off on a wild goose chase into the weeds of the Bible where nothing will ever be agreed to in the mind of Jl unless it conforms to his belief. A dead giveaway is his refusal to answer anything in his own words.

His deflection away from the main issue has now gone on for hours. He cannot or will not answer the question in his own words. Love and/or unconditional love has been his deflection du jour.

Here's the question at issue (for the 4th or 5th time!).

Which one is true - Matthew's passage or God's love? Both can't be true. Would an unconditionally loving God cast his creatures into his personal torture chamber for all eternity simply because they never heard of or believed in Jesus? Of course not!

To help Jl in his inability to answer this simple question, and to eliminate his ability to deflect, I will allow the "unconditionally loving" phrase to be omitted. It is not needed and its omission does not change the question one iota.

I'm sure Jl will come up with something else to evade answering.

Here’s the answer for the tenth time. Your question is based upon your foolish misunderstanding of God’s unconditional love. Fix that and you will see for yourself how silly it is. Your lack of knowledge has betrayed you.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Here’s the answer for the tenth time. Your question is based upon your foolish misunderstanding of God’s unconditional love. Fix that and you will see for yourself how silly it is. Your lack of knowledge has betrayed you.

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LOL. It's getting too easy to predict what Jl will say. I guess he missed the part about dropping unconditional love since he's still harping on that - "...foolish misunderstanding of God's love". That's his "answer". Funny kind of answer that doesn't address the question.

Jl, are you aware that this is a public forum, and you are being observed? Aren't you at least a little ashamed with your constant evasions?

Athos no Trumpster is ashamed of evasion

You’re done Athos. Your question is answered and your lack of knowledge is in the public domain. Too bad for you. You could not even begin to defend your vague, undefined, foggy position. Better luck next time.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

You’re done Athos. Your question is answered and your lack of knowledge is in the public domain. Too bad for you. You could not even begin to defend your vague, undefined, foggy position. Better luck next time.

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Getting a bit steamed, eh, Jl? Your slobber is showing, and it ain't pretty.

Here's the question in case you missed it.

Which one is true - Matthew's passage or God's love? Both can't be true. Would an (unconditionally loving) God cast his creatures into his personal torture chamber for all eternity simply because they never heard of or believed in Jesus? Of course not!

To make it easy for you, I put in parens the offending phrase. Now, instead of casting insults, how about answering?

Here’s the answer for the tenth, or rather eleventh, time. Your question is based upon your foolish misunderstanding of God’s unconditional love. Fix that and you will see for yourself how silly it is. Your lack of knowledge has betrayed you. Your understanding is so bad that you can't even define your own conditions. It's laughable except that it's so pathetic.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Here’s the answer for the tenth, or rather eleventh, time. Your question is based upon your foolish misunderstanding of God’s unconditional love. Fix that and you will see for yourself how silly it is. Your lack of knowledge has betrayed you. Your understanding is so bad that you can't even define your own conditions. It's laughable except that it's so pathetic.

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You already said that in the previous post. Repeating yourself is proof positive you have nothing to offer but hackneyed insults that convince nobody. Repeating a non-answer is worse. But you just keep rolling along in your frustrated nastiness.

Repetition is a wonderful tool for teaching. Just consider this to be the twelfth posting of my answer. You'll catch on sooner or later. I guess better late than never.

I would ask you to repeat your answer, but you haven’t given one. Here is the question again in very simple terms. What do you consider unconditional love to be? Wonder girl jumped right in. Why not you? And if you would, you would likely see the fatal flaw in your question that's giving you so much trouble.

Gosh. For someone who claimed to have me on his ignore list, you sure do follow right along with my posts.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

What do you consider unconditional love to be?

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We know God's love is unconditional. Let's pare that down to "God's love".

I used that term because it was part of his question.

I do agree with your point.

I'll leave you with this. How do you believe God's love factored into this event in the history of Israel found in 2 Kings 21?

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“Because Manasseh king of Judah has done these abominations (he has acted more wickedly than all the Amorites who were before him, and has also made Judah sin with his idols), 12 therefore thus says the Lord God of Israel: ‘Behold, I am bringing such calamity upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whoever hears of it, both his ears will tingle. 13 And I will stretch over Jerusalem the measuring line of Samaria and the plummet of the house of Ahab; I will wipe Jerusalem as one wipes a dish, wiping it and turning it upside down. 14 So I will forsake the remnant of My inheritance and deliver them into the hand of their enemies; and they shall become victims of plunder to all their enemies, 15 because they have done evil in My sight, and have provoked Me to anger since the day their fathers came out of Egypt, even to this day.’

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