You guys can rationalize this as a war on women all you want but you know this is battle for the rights of children, and one would think after Gosnell you would be on board with protecting women, too instead of funneling them to butchers.
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You guys can rationalize this as a war on women all you want but you know this is battle for the rights of children, and one would think after Gosnell you would be on board with protecting women, too instead of funneling them to butchers.
You really think that there should be abortions after 20 weeks ? That's the issue. I guess that legal and rare argument can go out the window. Fact is that there should be a ban on abortions after 20 weeks ; NO EXCEPTIONS... except rape or if the mother is in danger... and if a women claims there has been a rape then she ought to be able to provide proof . I guess all those images of those butcheries had no impact ?
But don't you worry . The Dems who love late term abortions will never pass it in the Senate.. and if they did ,the emperor who thinks babies should be wacked after failed abortion attempts would veto it.
Hello again, Steve
If Roe is overturned, it's YOU who's funneling women to the butchers..Quote:
instead of funneling them to butchers.
You don't think abortion is going to STOP, do you? Well, maybe you do. You certainly thought making drugs illegal would stop 'em...
Excon
So, since 20 weeks is too long what's your compromise, ever?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, wingers:
To me, the issue is NOT 20 weeks, and you know it. It's the right wing BELIEF, embodied in the law, that women would LIE about being raped in order to get an abortion... If that's NOT warring on women, please tell me what is. To believe that women, across the board, would LIE about ANYTHING, doesn't go unnoticed by America's women...
By NOT addressing this point; by DEFLECTING from it, I suspect you're as embarrassed about it as you SHOULD be.
THAT'S the war on women...
excon
Cite the relevant section.Quote:
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Cite the relevant section.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
not an accurate depiction. The law passed by the House yesterday would limit abortions after 20 weeks to women who have reported a rape to the authorities.
If I'm lying, so is tom.. Ask HIM to cite where he got his information from.. That's HIS quote above. I've got more important things to address..
Many liberals use excuses to justify 20 weeks, or 10 weeks, or 35 weeks... Or they say the ovum is just a blob of cells... Or they say it can't feel pain until x time... To me, that's all justification...
I believe life starts at conception... Every abortion results in death for somebody... Consequently, my position on abortion is NOT an easy one to come to. Nonetheless, when the rights of one person bump up against the rights of another, I choose the mother.
excon
No it isn't an embarrassment at all . What the left should be ashamed of is that they want abortions of a human at 20 weeks when medical science has determined that a baby is capable of feeling pain at 20 weeks as it it being torn apart limb by limb (as is the STANDARD procedure to extract a baby 20 weeks old) .
Since you made the claim it would be incumbent on you to furnish your source first.
LifeSiteNews Mobile | GOP leadership adds rape, incest exceptions to 20-week abortion ban; House votes tomorrowQuote:
House Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia added the exceptions to Trent Franks' “Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act” (H.R. 1797) on Friday during a discussion with Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer of Maryland.
The Republican statutory change also requires that the rape or incest of a minor be reported to appropriate authorities, something the Democratic amendment did not require.
The final bill actually says nothing about a women reporting a rape... only if it's rape of a minor or incest.
Hello again, Steve:
Marcia Blackburn
excon
PS> (edited) The above video doesn't speak about the REQUIREMENT to report rape.. THIS one does. It's a left wing site, but the video is REAL.. She says, exactly what I said she said.. A woman needs to report a rape so the cops can catch the rapist. If she doesn't, then she's going to have to bare the rapist's child..
Again, the underlying assumption is, that if a woman didn't REPORT the rape to the cops, it DIDN'T happen and she's LYING to get an abortion... It's that, or the cops NEED her uterus to go after rapists..
196 idiots voted against a bill that protects a baby that feels the pain and agony of being murdered by being torn apart in the womb. Bottom line... if you support abortion in the 3rd trimester then you oppose this bill .
Text of the bill is here :
http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/...HR1797_xml.pdf
The exception is there... boohoo if it's a burden to report a rape prior to a late term abortion.. They had 20 weeks to get it done before the deadline.
And why aren't libs concerned that so many women allegedly won't report a rape and get the rapist off the streets? They want them free to rape again?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
And why aren't libs concerned that so many women allegedly won't report a rape and get the rapist off the streets?
Given that most women who report rape are re-victimized by the system, I'd just as soon they catch the rapist another way. Certainly, if the rapist is caught, and a trial ensues, her entire sexual history is open for the world to review.. Who'd want to go through that?
What if she'd been drinking, and wearing sexy clothes?? You know what would happen to her, don't you? The system DOESN'T support women who report rape. If you DON'T know this, I'd wonder what planet you've been living on.
Excon
So what is it you're saying about most women, or are you saying times haven't changed any? If you don't realize the sensitivity with which rape victims are treated now and the associated stigmas you ought to catch up.
Maybe it has but making them report it isn't the way to go. They simply don't trust your sensitivity, and why should they? Rape kits are kept and lost for years. Most of them untested.
A free morning after pill and follow up short and long term support with respect to privacy is the way to go and how about the husband or boyfriend? They get traumatized too you know, so even if she reports it she still has to face family and friends and to be clear after such humiliation a victim of a criminal, most females DON"T want to face anyone let alone a loved on.
So rape is legit only if its reported is the STUPIDEST thing the right has come up with yet. STUPID and damn cruel.
I have always been personally against abortions, that's my choice, and YOURS is YOUR business not mine, so all you "save the children types" put your time and money where your mouth is, or be hypocrites.
I already know what your choice will be.
Tal, why should women trust the abortion absolutists and other Democrats? They INTENTIONALLY looked the other way with Gosnell, and refuse to support abortion clinic standards while regurgitating their "safe and rare" nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
So you are OK with leaving rapists free to destroy more lives? Fortunately more and more women are disagreeing with that point of view, just pop a pill and hope he never comes back.Quote:
A free morning after pill and follow up short and long term support with respect to privacy is the way to go and how about the husband or boyfriend? They get traumatized too you know, so even if she reports it she still has to face family and friends and to be clear after such humiliation a victim of a criminal, most females DON'T want to face anyone let alone a loved on.
I take it you didn't think about the last paragraph before you wrote it.Quote:
So rape is legit only if its reported is the STUPIDEST thing the right has come up with yet. STUPID and damn cruel.
Do you really know where I "put my money" and what my choice will be?? Hmmm??Quote:
have always been personally against abortions, that's my choice, and YOURS is YOUR business not mine, so all you "save the children types" put your time and money where your mouth is, or be hypocrites.
I already know what your choice will be.
I'm certainly not ashamed of where I've "put my money" over the years, and at least it comes from me, I don't put someone else's "money" where I think it should be, or yammer on about women's health while refusing to ensure a safe environment for that "health care."
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Tal, why should women trust the abortion absolutists and other Democrats? They INTENTIONALLY looked the other way with Gosnell, and refuse to support abortion clinic standards while regurgitating their "safe and rare" nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Maybe it has but making them report it isn't the way to go. They simply don't trust your sensitivity, and why should they? Rape kits are kept and lost for years. Most of them untested.
Democrats AND Republicans blew Gosnell and it was a local issue that YOU guys didn't holler about either. And further like you voter ID crap, standards for clinics is not something you mandate for compliance in 30 days after springing it suddenly. Again, but another example of right wing knee jerk policy with no regard for implementation. Your agenda is obvious even though you hide it behind the thin veneer of fairness, safety or “principles”. Get real, we all can see thru your seek and destroy that which you don't like, and limit the rights of others is YOUR real goal.
So you are ok with leaving rapists free to destroy more lives? Fortunately more and more women are disagreeing with that point of view, just pop a pill and hope he never comes back.Quote:
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A free morning after pill and follow up short and long term support with respect to privacy is the way to go and how about the husband or boyfriend? They get traumatized too you know, so even if she reports it she still has to face family and friends and to be clear after such humiliation a victim of a criminal, most females DON'T want to face anyone let alone a loved on.
So you stand by the it's not legit unless it's reported? You mean you can't understand talking about it is the last thing most rape victims can do. What rights do the victims have, and more in important stop looking at Law&Order and expect to catch a rapist or any criminal in an hour after reporting. That's the flaw you ignore and fail to address collected untested evidence that goes forgotten for years of the ones that DID report their assaults.
I take it you didn't think about the last paragraph before you wrote it.Quote:
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So rape is legit only if its reported is the STUPIDEST thing the right has come up with yet. STUPID and damn cruel.
More thought than what you are asking of a victim.
Do you really know where I "put my money" and what my choice will be???? Hmmm????Quote:
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Have always been personally against abortions, that's my choice, and YOURS is YOUR business not mine, so all you "save the children types" put your time and money where your mouth is, or be hypocrites. I already know what your choice will be.
I'm certainly not ashamed of where I've "put my money" over the years, and at least it comes from me, I don't put someone else's "money" where I think it should be, or yammer on about women's health while refusing to ensure a safe environment for that "health care."
Good for you, too bad I can't say the same for house republicans. Go ahead and outlaw abortions while you cut food stamps and give cooperate farmers more welfare. See who trusts you going forward.
You really should exercise some restraint before yammering on, you have no clue about my experience and compassion for victims, and this stupid assumption about "legitimate rape."
Unlike libs I do try and find balance, there is a life besides the mother that deserves consideration, I cannot in good conscience disregard the child. But as is typical with your side, you wrongly interpret care for the child as disregard for the woman and I believe it's intentional and political, just like your delusion that government largesse is always the answer.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
So what is it you're saying about most women, or are you saying times haven't changed any?
Times HAVE changed for HALF of us.. The right wing, on the other hand, went the other way. Certainly if HALF of us (your half) believe that a women would LIE just to get an abortion, you'd certainly think she'd LIE to the cops about being raped...
I'm WILLING to change my position if you can EXPLAIN why the requirement to REPORT a rape before a woman can get an abortion, is IN the bill... If you tell me it's for law enforcement purposes, I'll snicker all day long, because we'll BOTH know it's crap.
Excon
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