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Originally Posted by talaniman

We pay for nothing, insurance companies pay for covered procedure thru their policy. Insurance companies base premiums on the coverage you BUY!

Thats the business model for insurance, you know the risk/gamble thing. It was decide in JUNE 2008, BEFORE Obamacare, by doctors AND insurance companies to cover these procedures and those are facts.

No laws, no votes where needed to make this a medical issue and NOT elective surgery.

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You keep on doing that end around . We pay premiums based on the coverage ;especially MANDATED coverage . That means that WE are paying for the procedure ,because if I had a choice ;I would not be covering sex change ;condoms and abortion pills ,and any number of other procedures. I would not require ,my family would not require... and if I or they did ;I'd pay for it out of pocket.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

incorrect gender assignment ..guess God made a mistake.

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No other babies ever born have problems -- oh, wait, spina bifida, muscular dystrophy, Down's, autism, and on and on -- and it isn't because God is making mistakes. Read the first three chapters of Genesis for a moral story and explanation.

Show me the bill they sent you for a guy getting his penis whacked or a female getting a boob job. Show me a bill for birh controlpills or an abortion. Show me where you are charged for to carry these things on YOUR insurance and how much it affects your premiums.

Call your insurance carrier to clarify how they do buiness and let me know. Now you sound like a church, telling an insurance company how they are doing business.

Call Obama and congress and tell them to make universal heath care a law, and premiums based on income.

'incorrect gender assignment' is a very poor description of what you claim is a birth defect .

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Show me the bill they sent you for a guy getting his penis whacked or a female getting a boob job. Show me a bill for birh controlpills or an abortion. Show me where you are charged for to carry these things on YOUR insurance and how much it affects your premiums.

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They are not covered at this time . But you seem to think that these future mandates don't have any monetary consequences for the insured . That is nonsense ;and the growing costs of Obamacare is proving that true.

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'incorrect gender assignment' is a very poor description of what you claim is a birth defect .

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I have an autistic son and am married to a guy with Asperger's, so watch it with the "defect" comments.

I didn't say that Austism or Aspy is a birth defect so you should not take offense. Besides ;birth defect has a valid scientific definition.

Everything is about money in America, from anal cream to zygote transfer. The real issue would be does cost rise lower under Obama Care, because without it, the cost would rise any way,and has for decades.

Cap the costs if that's what you want, but stopping big business from making money by any legal means necessary is NOT a conservative idea, and one you have opposed in the past so what's the alternative?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

they are not covered at this time.

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You mean transgender operations? They are covered and have been since 2008. Wonder how many penis's you have paid to have removed?

Not in my state
Update: Cuomo administration now rejects Medicaid funding for transgender surgery | syracuse.com

And not my insurance carrier .
What insurance companies cover sex reassignment surgery

And the company I work for would not request it to be covered .
Nor is it covered by Medicare

Turns out it was an elaborate pr stunt. The Obots floated the proposal during this week's 'National LGBT Health Awareness Week ';and withdrew it without fanfare yesterday in the Friday news dump.

Transgender has nothing to do with homosexual.

LGBT=Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Transgender has nothing to do with homosexual.

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Maybe it is. Maybe its just one being a more extreme for of the other. We don't know yet. For all we know at this point being (born) gay could just be a milder form of transgenderizm.

This is a screwed up world

Maybe we are just figuring out that humans not only have a wide variety of hues and characteristics, but mindsets as well. Some just don't fit in the old notions of normal. They are still human.

Hello again,

I'm watching my FAV on FOX News. Right wingers STILL believe they can repeal Obamacare. How NUTS is that?

excon

Yeah it's still not very popular is it?

Among some, no it will never be popular, neither was the old system we are replacing.

Hello again, Steve:

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Yeah it's still not very popular is it?

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I don't know.. You guys live in a dream world. It's really impregnable too.

In your world, EVERYBODY had health care, so who needed it? Obamacare was shoved down your throats. The people hated it then, and they hate in now...

The only problem with that, is it's absolutely untrue.

Excon