Not saying that, but covering up mistakes or bad actions by cops ain't the way to go, and entirely inappropriate and unacceptable.
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Not saying that, but covering up mistakes or bad actions by cops ain't the way to go, and entirely inappropriate and unacceptable.
White people aren't the issue? You haven't been paying attention if you believe that. As for black on black crime, it is just swept under the rug by you and others because it certainly seems that you just don't care. If I had a choice between concentrating on twenty deaths a year or several thousand deaths a year, it would seem plainly obvious that I should go with the much bigger situation since there is far more potential for good there. But there is no political gain to be had there, and no opportunity to blame problems on white people, so it's just ignored.Quote:
White people aren't the issue, nor black on black crime,
Completely foolish statement. Untrue and you know it.Quote:
Now if you like JL agree they should
Now I get it. When cops do wrong that's okay with you. Why didn't you just say that?
Love your half quotes you like to jump on.
As is oftentimes the case, you don't get it. I'm all for dealing with rogue cops. Perhaps I'll just become like you and not give a horse's rear end about thousands of black people being murdered every year. Only the fake political narrative counts. A white man engaged in a violent crime is more likely to be killed by a cop than a black man engaged in a violent crime, but don't let truth and facts get in your way. I guess that sometimes it's nice to be willfully blind.Quote:
Now I get it. When cops do wrong that's okay with you. Why didn't you just say that?
More lip service? What are you going to do about those rogue cop? You have a solution for everything but have you even suggested a solution to rogue cops killing citizens? Heck you were okay with shooting a guy in the back, so what should I think about that?
Prosecute them.
When have I been OK with shooting a guy in the back? Answer, of course, is NEVER. Do I think the cop is guilty of felony murder? No. Do I think he's guilty of something? I would think so, but unlike you, I'm willing to let the investigation play out first.
Remember the Bubba Wallace incident?
How when they cover it up and bury it for months?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
https://apnews.com/fb33a7eb824b47c492f01130c73878ebQuote:
When have I been OK with shooting a guy in the back? Answer, of course, is NEVER. Do I think the cop is guilty of felony murder? No. Do I think he's guilty of something? I would think so, but unlike you, I'm willing to let the investigation play out first.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...leeing-suspect
The looked at the tapes, interviewed witnesses, and charged the cop in the Wendy's case. Most other cases get swept under the rug and buried.
What about it?Quote:
Remember the Bubba Wallace incident?
It's called investigations. How do you feel about the fact that nearly half of murder cases where a black person was the victim are never solved?Quote:
How when they cover it up and bury it for months?
There was a supposed noose found in his Talladega garage. There was the usual uproar about it by people too stupid to wait for an investigation. The investigation by the FBI revealed a loop tied at the end of a rope used to close a garage door that had been there more than a year. So it turned out to be garbage.Quote:
What about it?
That's why I frequently say we need to wait for the investigation. Refer to the Michael Brown case in Ferguson.
That's not just a black thing you make it out to be, though the number may be high for black people, their are a high number of unsolved murders in America period, but is that relevant to the specific topic of COPS killing black people and getting away with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
What does it look like to you?Quote:
There was a supposed noose found in his Talladega garage. There was the usual uproar about it by people too stupid to wait for an investigation. The investigation by the FBI revealed a loop tied at the end of a rope used to close a garage door that had been there more than a year. So it turned out to be garbage.
https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxne....jpg?ve=1&tl=1
Investigate yes, but over the years and decades few black people trust the police. Maybe you don't have that experience, but just the stories of older, respected black people telling their stories and experiences, should at least give you pause. I guess these threads is an example of why an HONEST discussion is DIFFICULT.Quote:
That's why I frequently say we need to wait for the investigation. Refer to the Michael Brown case in Ferguson.
It looks like a loop about large enough to put your hand in to close the door.
https://www.ibtimes.com/fbi-ruling-b...r-fans-3000688Quote:
According to the New York Post, no fewer than 15 federal agents were summoned to investigate the incident. The noose they discovered was a small loop tied to the bottom of a rope on a garage door at the Talladega Superspeedway. It was presumably to make it much easier to raise and lower the door and it had been there since last October. After two days of incendiary hysteria, NASCAR boss, Steve Phelps admitted there was no hate crime.
The FBI said that although the noose is now known to have been in garage No. 4 in 2019, no one could know that Wallace would be assigned to that number during the previous week.
Looks like it could easily be a noose, and they can be loosened and tightened.
I guess you'll have to go talk with the 15 federal agents who disagree with you.
Trump letter to Illinois Governor Pritzker and Chi-town Mayor Lightfoot:
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I will continue to lead the way to support historically disadvantaged communities and would welcome your help in these endeavors. In December 2018, I signed into law the First Step Act, marking the first major reforms to our criminal justice system in over a decade. This brings historic reforms to make our justice system fairer and to help inmates successfully transition back into society by providing prisoners with a second chance through rehabilitative programs and fair sentencing. Additionally, when I signed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, we created Opportunity Zones. Nationwide, nearly 9,000 communities have designated Opportunity Zones, including over 130 in Chicago, which are incentivizing investments in areas that have been forgotten for far too long. My Administration has also provided robust, unprecedented support to Historically Black Colleges and Universities.
Recently, on June 16, I signed an Executive Order advancing important reforms to elevate a noble profession and strengthen the essential bond of trust between police officers and the communities in which they serve. My Administration continues to work closely with Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina and others across the political spectrum to advance further policy improvements and meaningful reforms.
Unlike previous Administrations of both parties, I am willing to tackle unsolved challenges. If you are willing to put partisanship aside, we can revitalize distressed neighborhoods in Chicago, together. But to succeed, you must establish law and order. The combination of crime, high State and local taxes, and onerous State and local government regulations have caused thousands of Illinoisans to flee to other States. Between 2010 and 2019, Illinois lost more of its population than any other state in the Nation. If you are interested, I am willing to ask members of my Cabinet to meet with you and help devise a plan to make Chicago safe, since a successful formula has escaped both you and your predecessors. My Administration would also welcome the opportunity to engage with you and your colleagues as you develop bipartisan policy recommendations to improve policing and make our great cities safer for all.
Unfortunately, you continue to put your own political interests ahead of the lives, safety, and fortunes of your own citizens. The people of Chicago deserve better.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trumps-letter-governor-illinois-mayor-chicago/?fbclid=IwAR0Qe7qRHJp5NSJhhJiX5ElO2XgWzXDC9YVSPBB1 obR0eWqvzWPEeaU028Y
The FBI said it wasn't an intentional hate crime aimed at Wallace. Nobody disputes it is a noose except you it appears.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Quite the diplomat that dufus.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
more like showing leadership to the Munchkins in charge of the state and city
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Unfortunately, you continue to put your own political interests ahead of the lives, safety, and fortunes of your own citizens. The people of Chicago deserve better.
That's leadership? Reads more like a threat.
I doubt you will solve the problems of Chicago gangs with a snarky letter or an armed militia force. Certainly there is little confidence in the guy who makes more noise than comprehensive solutions. I mean who has any confidence in a career grifter and exploiter and con man, or any of his minions. Attacking the dems is as effective a strategy for collaboration and cooperation as the Chinese had with the Mongols.
His letter amounts to a political stunt to promote his tough guy persona but I'm sure that nothing gets done before the election.
Then end of story.Quote:
The FBI said it wasn't an intentional hate crime aimed at Wallace.
Yeah. Me and the millions of others who have enough sense to see that it's a loop tied in the end of a rope to use as a hand hold. "NASCAR's statement about the incident adds a lot more color, noting that the noose was actually a garage door pull rope that was fashioned in a loop. "Quote:
Nobody disputes it is a noose except you it appears.
https://www.cbssports.com/nascar/new...-noose-in-his/
You started this nonsense so you end it. Whatever it was used for, it's still a hangman's knot and you can bet everybody else knows that, but you. You want to keep giving evidence to your lack of common sense, have at it.
Hangman's Knot.
I agree, it's a hangman's knot.
The classic hangman's knot (6-8 loops) was largely developed in the United States, the heavy mass of the knot intended to crush blood vessels in the neck and if tightened beneath the jaw, to lever the head to one side. (Wikipedia)
I'm sure the FBI and the 15 highly trained and experienced federal agents will want to be aware of your assessment. No doubt they will change their finding.Quote:
I agree, it's a hangman's knot.
Yeah, we sure do need those fraud-proof mail in ballots.
"Following accusations of widespread fraud, voter intimidation, and ballot theft in the May 12 municipal elections in Paterson, N.J., state Attorney General Gurbir S. Grewal (pictured) announced Thursday he is charging four men with voter fraud – including the vice president of the City Council and a candidate for that body."
"Reporting by NBC further uncovered citizens of Paterson who are listed as having voted, but who told the news outlet they never received a ballot and did not vote. One woman, Ramona Javier, after being shown the list of people on her block who allegedly voted, told the outlet she knew of eight family members and neighbors who were wrongly listed. “We did not receive vote-by-mail ballots and thus we did not vote,” she said. “This is corruption. This is fraud.”
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...yWc0-VKSlDans8
They got caught and charged, but is this WIDESPREAD? Is that all you found from the MILLIONS of voters in America? How about the intentional incompetence to suppress the vote in Atlanta or the purges and tactics of then candidate for governor Kemp, or the purges by repubs in Wisconsin and Florida, or NC? What's up with closing polls in dem zip codes and hiding limiting voter machines to create those long lines on election day. How about this gem by repubs in Pa.?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o32tF-S6K60
I can see why voter fraud would bother you since repubs practice it all the time, and the dufus claiming he lost the popular vote because of it in 2016, though none was found.
You had said earlier that it was not happening. I'm showing you that it is, and it was a pretty bad case. Widespread? Time will tell on that one.
Uhm...the case above is a dem state.Quote:
I can see why voter fraud would bother you since repubs practice it all the time,
The legislature was repub at the time. Still is I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Nope. Democrat. Governor as well is a dem.
Repubs controlled Pa. from 2011 to 2014, and Romney was the candidate against Obama.
https://ballotpedia.org/Party_contro...ate_government
Currently the governor is a dem, but repubs control the house and senate. By definition a divided government.Quote:
Trifectas in Pennsylvania
In Pennsylvania, Republicans held trifecta control of state government from 1995 to 2002 and again from 2011 to 2014. Democrats held trifecta control in 1993. In all other years from 1992 to 2017, control of state government was divided.
I guess you missed the date on the description of the video
Jun 27, 2012
"The Pennsylvania House majority leader says voter ID "is gonna allow Governor Romney to win" the presidency."* Will a voter suppression effort from Republicans push Mitt Romney past President Obama in 2012? The Young Turks host Cenk Uygur breaks it down.
Why are we talking about Pennsylvania? My link was to New Jersey.
You presented your evidence of voter fraud, and I presented my evidence of voter suppression...openly admitted by repubs. I remember we had discussions on this topic and voter ID laws on this forum at the time.
https://www.mic.com/articles/168719/...0votes%20cast.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/tr...isinformation/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ts-he-n1232208
Fear mongering to suppress the vote during a pandemic? Of course it is! Repubs are afraid of high turn outs because the fear being CRUSHED at the ballot box...FOREVER! Don't know how true that is but that's what they believe. Is it the dems fault they haven't or can't expand beyond their base?
Dems managed to send hundreds of thousands of fake rsvp for the Trump rally. Imagine what they could do with mail in ballots !
That youtube clip was ridiculous. It was an off-hand remark by one person and was his opinion only. Even at that, he could very well have speaking in light of years of voter fraud allowing dem candidates to win.
On the other hand, the situation in New Jersey was definitely true and definitely serious. You had said it didn't exist. You were wrong.
The temptation to screw the dufus is great I can admit that but repubs are hardly angels and can be rather creative and ruthless themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Not your most ridiculous and dismissive statement but predictable. I never said it didn't exist, but cited the data that makes it rare. Voter suppression has court cases that make it insidious.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The teens of America struck a savage blow against @realDonaldTrump. All across America teens via K-Pop and Tik-Tok ordered tickets to this event.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
So when the teens take over, that's good? Hmmm.
The NJ case makes it clear that it is not rare and shows how mail in voting (which was the topic) is ripe for fraud. Court cases so far have upheld voter ID.Quote:
Not your most ridiculous and dismissive statement but predictable. I never said it didn't exist, but cited the data that makes it rare. Voter suppression has court cases that make it insidious.
Good for them to get involved in politics. Why shouldn't they? We're almost dead and gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Kind of forgot to address the issue about mail in ballots.Quote:
Dems managed to send hundreds of thousands of fake rsvp for the Trump rally. Imagine what they could do with mail in ballots !
The teens of America struck a savage blow against @realDonaldTrump. All across America teens via K-Pop and Tik-Tok ordered tickets to this event.
https://scontent.fmem1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...9b&oe=5F1DB0BE
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...4t-NmNJDnnZGI9
My only worry is Republican gerrymandering (both "packing" and "cracking") plus closing polling places in Democratic areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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