The birthers had evidence? No they had allegations... I told you that you don't know the difference.
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The birthers had evidence? No they had allegations... I told you that you don't know the difference.
Let us rely on the adage, where there is smoke there is fire. But why worry about history, that debate is over and we need a new one
Well thank goodness you have finally developed a respect for evidence!Quote:
The birthers had evidence? No they had allegations... I told you that you don't know the difference.
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Let us rely on the adage, where there is smoke there is fire. But why worry about history, that debate is over and we need a new one
In the case of Kavanaugh, there was no smoke. Hot air, but no smoke. And in case you want to refer to Dr. Ford's statements, I would remind you of what my esteemed friend, Tal, just stated. "No they had allegations... I told you that you don't know the difference."
You haven't heard of the marauding band of invaders from central America that's going to rape, pillage and plunder?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
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I seem to recall that Trump had similar views about the Mexicans some of whom he later said were good people.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Rhetoric is stock in trade for the dunce
Yeah. And of course no democrat president would have engaged in rhetoric. I say that as one of those "deplorables" who is "clinging to" his "guns and religion."
They all engage in rhetoric, no politician is immune to it, I just keep thinking give me my portable bulldozer because the bullslit is getting too thick
Those are true statements though! The dufus spews hate speech.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
That's by a PREPONDERANCE of the EVIDENCE!Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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Yeah. Right. And Kavanaugh was definitely guilty.
Know way to know that at this point. Nice job repubs!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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DHS has identified 270 criminals in the caravan :https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/11/01/...s-fact-caravanQuote:
Q: Do we know who is in the caravan?
A: We continue to be concerned about individuals along the caravan route. In fact, over 270 individuals along the caravan route have criminal histories, including known gang membership. Those include a number of violent criminals – examples include aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, armed robbery, sexual assault on a child, and assault on a female. Mexican officials have also publicly stated that criminal groups have infiltrated the caravan. We also continue to see individuals from over 20 countries in this flow from countries such as Somalia, India, Haiti, Afghanistan, and Bangladesh. There is a large segment of this population that we know nothing about and we must be prepared to defend our border and enforce our laws to protect the citizens of our country.
Q: Are there criminals in the caravan?
A: Yes – so far, there are over 270 individuals along the caravan route that have criminal histories, including known gang membership.
On October 29, the Mexican ambassador to the U.S. described some of the caravan members as “very violent:” “Unfortunately, some of the people in the caravan have been very violent against authority, even though they have offered the possibility of entering in compliance with immigration law and refugee status.”
On October 30, Mexico’s Interior Minister Navarrete Prida speaking on Radio Enfoque (Focus) 100.1 FM, confirmed that some criminal groups have infiltrated the caravan: “I have videos from Guatemala that show men dressed in identical clothing, sporting the same haircuts, handing out money to women to persuade them to move to the front of the caravan…We know, for a fact, that some members of the caravan threatened [Mexican] Migration Institute personnel and we have images showing many of them preparing Molotov cocktail
and birther conspiracy was a silly hill to make a stand on.It was a bogus issue . I wrote this in 2008 and it still applies :
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/politi...te-275470.htmlQuote:
regarding Obama's birth certificate ;
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. CodeSec 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth":
- Anyone born inside the United States
- Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
- Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
- Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
- Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
- Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
- Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
- A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
So even if the evidence shows that he was born outside the US and his Hawaii birth certificate was a fraud ;he would still be qualified .
No but the Chairman's 400 page report released late last week says there was nothing there for any of the allegations .Quote:
And that means ALL the other testimonies they investigated are false?
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo...h%20Report.pdf
Fords was the most "credible " But Ford’s testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee differed from statements she made to her therapist, the Washington Post reporter who broke the story, and even from her initial letter to Sen. Dianne Feinstein. Ford’s story morphed from a sexual assault by four boys in the mid-1980s, while she was in her late teens, to a sexual assault by one boy at a party attended by five people in 1982, when she was 15.
The location of the assault went from a home near her parents’ country club to a house somewhere between the country club and her home, which was a 20-minute drive away. It is all in his report including stuff the committee learned after the hearings .(like her complete lies about knowledge of polygraph tests ).
or this lie :“I struggled academically. I struggled very much in Chapel Hill and in college. When I was 17 and went off to college, I had a very hard time, more so than others, forming new friendships and especially friendships with boys, and I had academic problems.” But friends from her time at UNC say she had "a fairly active and robust social life” in college His letter added that Chrissy “seemed to have a number of other non-dating male friends, more guy friends perhaps than females,” and that she attended “frat house parties, some crowded and lasting very late in the evening,” as well as “smaller gatherings in male friend’s rooms or apartments.”Ford “did not seem to be afraid to be in rooms or apartments with only one entrance,” ......“This was the case even if very late at night with her and her friend as the only females present.”
Yeah, but she was bound to be telling the truth because, after all, Senator Spartacus found her to be credible.
Sen Sparticus is not clear from liability with the Senate Ethics Committee for admitting disclosure of confidential docs.
Here are the Senate Rules :
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/SMAN-1...N-107-pg52.htmQuote:
5. Any Senator, officer or employee of the Senate who shall disclose the secret or confidential business or proceedings of the Senate, including the business and proceedings of the committees, subcommittees and offices of the Senate shall be liable, if a Senator, to suffer expulsion from the body; and if an officer or employee, to dismissal from the service of the Senate, and to punishment for contempt.6. Whenever, by the request of the Senate or any committee thereof, any documents or papers shall be communicated to the Senate by the President or the head of any department relating to any matter pending in the Senate, the proceedings in regard to which are secret or confidential under the rules, said documents and papers shall be considered as confidential, and shall not be disclosed without leave of the Senate.
https://fox61.com/2018/11/05/nbc-say...ight-football/
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Fox’s decision was particularly surprising given the network’s close proximity and friendly relationship with the White House.Critics of the network say its hosts and commentators employ some of the same racist rhetoric and scare tactics that were used in the ad.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b09d43e31fd22b
https://reason.com/blog/2018/11/02/s...migrant-killer
How much more do you guys need? You still holding your nose JL?Quote:
So that ad Trump is touting could just as easily say "REPUBLICANS LET HIM STAY" and "WHO ELSE DID SHERIFF JOE ARPAIO LET GO?" Last year,Arpaio was pardoned by the presidentafter being found guilty of contempt of court for flouting a federal order to stop "the unconstitutional racial profiling and detainment of Latino residents."
Given the choice of Trump or the thoroughly incompetent, unqualified, and dishonest Hillary Clinton, it's still one of the easiest decisions of my lifetime, and every time I look at the economy and the Supreme Court, I know it was the right one.Quote:
How much more do you guys need? You still holding your nose JL?
Any political party dumb enough to nominate her deserves to lose.
It's highly likely the economy would be humming along under Hillary. As for blaming liberal judges for ruining your day, that would be a stretch. Looks like you were going to hold your nose no matter who won. That's sad.
Only for you.Quote:
That's sad
I have never had to hold my nose, no matter who the president was. Life goes on. I'm not holding my nose now, just shaking my head. I admit Bush's election had me running for the doors and leaving the rat race behind. He was a lousy business man and had numerous bankruptcies too. He ruined the great economy Clinton left him, and the dufus may well follow his pattern.
I found something good in past repubs though, but I ain't holding my breathe for this dude we have now.
I haven't been enthusiastic about a pres since Reagan and wouldn't give any of them a score better than "OK". Clinton was less than OK due to his veto of the ban on partial birth abortion and his terrible behavior in the Lewinsky scandal. Bush was OK. Obama was much less than OK and one of the worst presidents we've had in a century. H Clinton was the worst candidate in my lifetime. But I don't dispute your right to hold your own opinions. My greatest disappointment is our country's loss of the value of freedom and respect for life, and so turning to big government as our savior. The discovery that the feds can finance the budget with borrowed money will eventually be devastating to our country.Quote:
I have never had to hold my nose, no matter who the president was. Life goes on. I'm not holding my nose now, just shaking my head. I admit Bush's election had me running for the doors and leaving the rat race behind. He was a lousy business man and had numerous bankruptcies too. He ruined the great economy Clinton left him, and the dufus may well follow his pattern.
I think you place too much blame on government and not enough on irresponsible businessmen. They control the economy, and the flow of MONEY. If you don't have enough talk to your boss. Good luck with that, and let me know what he says.
What's to prevent you from becoming a responsible businessman? Show them how it's done. Truthfully, I know quite a number of responsible businessmen. I was on the campus of Mississippi State University a few weeks ago and it just so impressed me how most of the buildings were constructed from donations from those business people. Went to the Lauren Rogers Museum of Art today in Laurel, Mississippi. Same deal there. So I'm not sure they are as irresponsible as you suggest.Quote:
I think you place too much blame on government and not enough on irresponsible businessmen. They control the economy, and the flow of MONEY. If you don't have enough talk to your boss. Good luck with that, and let me know what he says.
Might add that we went to Mississippi State to see the U.S. Grant Presidential Library. Just still amazes me that we have that library in Mississippi. It is really nice and well worth seeing.
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
No, you don't. What you DO know is businessmen who think like you do - right-wingers. Businesses, excepting non-profits, are legally required to pursue profit as their primary reason for being. This is written into their Articles of Incorporation. Acting for the common good is a distant motivation - mostly not pursued at all other then by accident in the nature of the product or service. Shareholders can and will sue the business that puts anything ahead of profit.
I've noticed you throw terms around to suit your purpose du jour.
Well Athos, you are an amazing person. You seem to have an ablity to sit hundreds of miles away and yet know all about the business people I know. I am impressed! However, you seem to have a rather limited idea about businesses. The vast majority of businesses don't have shareholders. They are either sole proprietorships or partnerships. And yes, I'm sure they would have to make a profit. Kind of hard to stay in business if they don't do that. Athos, how many businesses are you running that make no profit and yet still stay in business? How many people do you employ?Quote:
No, you don't. What you DO know is businessmen who think like you do - right-wingers. Businesses, excepting non-profits, are legally required to pursue profit as their primary reason for being. This is written into their Articles of Incorporation. Acting for the common good is a distant motivation - mostly not pursued at all other then by accident in the nature of the product or service. Shareholders can and will sue the business that puts anything ahead of profit.
Regardless of your faulty understanding of the matter, I know a number of business people who are good people and use their money for good purposes. They are not all, as you put it, "right wingers", but they all have a sense of responsibility to the community. And no, I am not one of them. Retired school principal.
Networks are saying results are disappointing so far . Maybe the Russians interfered this year too . <sarc>
Evidently Trump paid the Russkies to elect a democrat house.
Repubs appear to retain the senate... you got the judges, but dems have the house... the purse strings, budgets and finally oversight and accountability of the dufus. Silly season is over and we get the lame duck shuffle. I heard that Nancy is sharpening her stick for one last shove up the Dufus's arse! Boy will he be hollering now!
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Originally Posted by tomder55
What network? FOX?
Watch Trump become a Democrat now that he has to deal with a Democratic House. He already has the Trumpian Senate in his pocket. He will completely ignore the Republican losses in the House and claim A) voter fraud, B) any Republican success the result of his campaigning, and C) false news.
If nothing else, Trump has become predictable.
Trump is very comfortable dealing with Dems .He did it for years here in NY and Athos is right ;he is really for all intents and purposes a Dem when it comes to domestic issues . He likes big $$$ government projects .He does not mind spending the birthright of future generations . In reality he likes universal health care . His differences with them is regulations and border security .Quote:
Repubs appear to retain the senate... you got the judges, but dems have the house... the purse strings, budgets and finally oversight and accountability of the dufus. Silly season is over and we get the lame duck shuffle. I heard that Nancy is sharpening her stick for one last shove up the Dufus's arse! Boy will he be hollering now!
So will the Dems work with Trump ? Not likely . If they spend the next 2 yrs trying to investigate Trump while getting nothing done with the Senate ;they'll be a perfect foil for the president setting him up with a decent chance to be re-elected.
The actual quote was from George Stephanopoulos during ABCs coverage . I was flipping between ABC FOX and CNN and a local station for as long as I could stay awake.Quote:
What network? FOX?
and to show how much NY is a Democrat dictatorship ; the Rep in my district ,Nita Lowey (who because of Dem gerrymandering lives miles from my town ,on the other side of the Hudson River ,in a different county ) ,won virtually unopposed (she had to "fend off " a minor party challenger ) . She will most likely be that chair of the Appropriations Committee.that has in Tal's words their hands on " the purse strings, budgets" . Hold onto your wallets people !!!!!
So change is in the wind, it is an ill wind that blows no one any good
the Dems barely took the House . The Repubs gained in the Senate guaranteeing Trump 2 more years of selecting Federal Judges .
Andrew Gillum, Bill Nelson, and Stacey Abrams were all supposed to be in unbelievably tight races. In the end, they all finished behind their Repub opponents
The three competitive races that Obama re-emerged from (quasi) private life to try and whip.... all three lost. Even better ;EVERY Dem Senator who was in a race AND voted against Kavanaugh lost their race .
Exactly as they deserved.Quote:
Even better ;EVERY Dem Senator who was in a race AND voted against Kavanaugh lost their race .
Repubs didn't get a shellacking like the dems did in 2010, but DEMS gained enough to get a seat at the table of power. They broke the monopoly of power, and even in the senate repubs and the dufus can only still get judges through. Everything else requires DEMS, as it did before. Both sides got a lil' sumpthin, as we prepare for another election.
The take away for me was that turnout matters, and the more participation there is the better the dems do. Heck red states like Florida and Georgia got a wake up call and even red Texas is on notice. Dems thrived and Repubs survived for now.
Yeah turnout matters and at 36% you could hardly say it was democracy at work, 64% weren't interested, tells you something
here is a picture of Republicans rioting in the streets ;chanting ,shouting ;knocking over garbage cans after learning that the Dems had won the House .
The most hits on Google yesterday was a site called Donde Votar ?https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...e-votar-googleQuote:
The take away for me was that turnout matters, and the more participation there is the better the dems do. Heck red states like Florida and Georgia got a wake up call and even red Texas is on notice. Dems thrived and Repubs survived for now.
At the request of the White House AG Jeff Sessions has tendered his resignation, FIRED to the uninformed... replaced by Session's chief of staff Matt Whitaker.
yup SOP for administrations at mid term.
And 4 Americans were killed in Benghazi while the Pres stood around and did nothing. Oh wait... that wasn't Trump, was it?
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