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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Big unions, big government and big business will work things out to the satisfaction of 'the big three'. As for the rest of us... Well, I guess its tough luck.
There seems to be an inability to understand that it is the political system that actively promotes this type of solution. It doesn't matter who the emperor is now, or who he will be in the future.
I understand, but this guy has managed to make America a laughingstock. But then he does believe we need to be knocked down a few notches, in that he's succeeded.
Hello again,
Trader Joe's to DROP health coverage for it's part time workers...
But, that AIN'T a bad thing.. It's what's SUPPOSED to happen. A small business SAVES money, and his part time workers STILL get affordable health care.Whaddya know about that?Quote:
Depending on income you may earn outside of Trader Joe's, -- i.e. another job -- we believe that with the $500 from Trader Joe's and the tax credits available under the ACA, many of you should be able to obtain health care coverage at very little if any net cost to you.
Excon
Only a lib would think pushing people out of their employer sponsored insurance and dependent on government largesse is a success. Oh, and did you catch that phrasing? "Many of you should be able to obtain health care coverage at very little if any net cost to you."
And if they can't?
Hello again, Steve:Only a lib would want everybody's cost for health insurance to be the same.Quote:
And if they can't?
But, it's even worse than that.. I don't think ANY employer should be burdened with his employees health care costs. That is, if you want OUR industry to be competitive with the WORLD'S industry, and the WORLD'S industry DOESN'T have that burden.
Excon
Libs believe in dragging everyone DOWN to their level... rather thant raising people up to the level of others.
What are Repubs doing to raise people up?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Hello again, smoothy:
I don't know.. The post above yours that I, a VERY liberal person, wrote, IS PRO business ALL THE WAY...
But, you're right about one thing, though... I'm a VERY liberal person AND a VERY successful businessman. I believe in dragging people UP to my level.
Bwa, ha ha ha.
excon
Only a lib would believe that offering benefits in a competitive marketplace is a bad thing. Some of really liked it that way, ask the unions.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I don't believe the government has any business dispensing heath care out to anyone... because they have demonstrated how their corruption is so deep their best friends will get everything they want.. cost being no object... while those that they dislike will be denied basic services...
They aren't. The insurance companies are, as always.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Hello again, smoothy:
I don't know. I'm on Medicare. They don't know my politics. They just pay the bills. And, they pay EVERYBODY'S bills regardless of their political persuasion..Quote:
they have demonstrated how their corruption is so deep their best friends will get everything they want.. cost being no object... while those that they dislike will be denied basic services...
How is it, that you DON'T know that?
Excon
I get mine from my doctor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Not under Obamacare they won't be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Obamacare isn't Medicare... and nothing Obama has ever done has been impartial or unbiased in any aspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, smoothy:
Apparently, you think Obamacare is single payer. It's NOT. You will get your health insurance from health insurance companies just like you always have.Quote:
Not under Obamacare they won't be.
How is it, that you don't know that?
Look.. Over the past few days, you've exhibited absolutely NO grasp of what's going on around you... Step away from FOX News, Drudge, and I'd turn off that Jones dude too.
Excon
I think its you that thinks the government isn't completely involved in Obamacare...Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
In fact its already proven it will cost at least three times as much as current medical insurance does... and coverage will be fare less...
Just so a few million illegals will get free healthcare.
Only Jesus CHrist was able to feed the masses with a single fish and one loaf of bread.
Somehow the Democrats think Obama can do even more than that.
My son, who is a part-time employee, pays for his own health care, has BC-BS. He is already getting mailings from insurance companies asking him to check into their plans and switch.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Yeah.. a real bargain with half the coverage at twice the price.
Actually, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Actually yes... and every week the true cost is revised upwards. There hasn't been a claimed savings since not long after the bill was rammed down everyone's throats...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Not even Obama is claiming its going to save any money. Not anymore. They made a lot of false claims and assumptions to even make that claim to begin with.
And the CBO is who says this... a federal agency.
Where there were 3 choices, now there are 9. But it's the republicans crewing up the works even after republican governors have got behind it. Even in Virginia.
Virginia health insurance exchange: your state
So they lie something is being rammed down republican throats is actually a program that affects the uninsured Americans and the insured ones gain more options than what insurance companies want to give so they SQUEAL higher future rates, and employers SQUEAL less hours.Quote:
In August 2010, McDonnell appointed the Health Reform Initiative Advisory Council. The council issued a report in December 2010 and recommended that Virginia implement a state-based exchange.
The Virginia General Assembly passed legislation in 2010 to invalidate the individual mandate of the Affordable Care Act, and the state attorney general filed a lawsuit against Kathleen Sibelius, the secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, based on the new law. After a series of legal actions, the state law ultimately ruled invalid.
In 2011, the General Assembly passed legislation that was supportive of a state-based exchange, and McDonnell signed the bill into law. However, throughout the 2012 session the General Assembly failed to pass additional legislation necessary to move ahead with exchange implementation.
Finally, after President Obama's re-election, McDonnell notified HHS that Virginia would not proceed with a state-based exchange nor Medicaid expansion. While the norm for the federally operated exchange leaves no role for the state, McDonnell did lobby for oversight of the health plans that will operate on the exchange within the state. HHS approved McDonnell's request in March 2013.
According to Kaiser's State Health Facts, 14 percent of Virginians do not have health insurance.
Both have been gouging the American public for years in search of MO' MONEY, from your pocket to theirs.
19 days before it starts, and facts become apparent and the SQUEALER eat their own crap for a change. Bon Apetite Smoothy.
Bovine excrement...
Your choice and you will swallow. Chew well is my advise.
Not if we can do anything about it... and there isn't a law that can't be repealed... including this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Or tweaked, as needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
It takes more than a tweak to touch this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFGcd8oCUAEEc7k.jpg
Its such a mess from its very foundation... its beyond fixing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Not according to the insurance mailings my son is getting.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Its is according to everyone else that knows anything about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
In fact... Websters is changing their definition of " Mess" to Obamacare as an example given.
You don't know anything about it either, and for sure the squeal and repeal crowd doesn't either because they are to lazy, or illiterate to read the thing, even the shorter online version that's been out for years.
Holler in your own circles as the rest of us move forward and drag your right wing carcasses with us, like we always have to do. Kicking, screaming and squealing.
18 more days you loud buggers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh the irony coming from the "we have to pass it to know what's in it" side of things. Dude, no one understands it, you don't either.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
It could stand some improvements and probably will over time and I may not be an expert, but do have a GREAT understanding of it. Not only that I have seen a marked improvement over the years of my own health care insurance which has already notified us that they exceed the requirements the law has mandated them to do and are an option as we get ready to sign up for social security.
One thing no one has talked about is how it may save Medicaid a lot of loot, and that saves taxpayers, and not sure why more has not been made of it especially if the economy grows at 1% higher than it did last year. I take that back, the noise on the right is trying to drown out real debate, consensus, and reasonable compromise because the NEW (old/only) principle is turn back the hands of time to bring back the good old days they remember when minorities, and women did as they were told and YOU did as you wanted.
Has everyone got their hip waders on yet?
Am splashing barefoot in the puddles.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Ewwwwww!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
http://misscongeniality.files.wordpr...lu-2.jpg?w=500
*potchy potchy potchy*Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
(Used to do that in warm spring-rain puddles on the sidewalk when I lived in NC)
Let me address for a minute the concerns of unions and their subsidies issue. Like employers they may well have to use there leverage of millions of workers to get a better deal from existing providers and mitigate any higher cost because they as consumers have got the insurance companies by the balls with added competition. One avenue may close but others will open, BIGTIME.
The unions may criticize but they haven't stopped negotiating, unlike the squealers who can't read and don't have a better plan. The last one was voted down in the 2012 election.
One more thing is that my union provided health care is from one of the biggest insurers in Texas.
Hello again,
In the United States of America, the country I LOVE and spilled my blood for, laws are passed by the congress WE voted for.. NOBODY shoved ANYTHING down your throat. If you don't like who won, and what they did, campaign for the other guy..Quote:
Remember that healthcare bill that was rammed through in spite of the American people's overwhelming objection?
That's how it works here in THIS great country of ours... You got BEAT. Stop your sniveling..
Excon
17 days left for the Squeal crowd to repeal ACA. Can they punk the president like they say Putin did? I don't think so, but be careful what you wish for.
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