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  • Oct 10, 2012, 12:57 PM
    talaniman
    Is that as bad as going to Israel and getting contributions? Or Adelsons over seas money?
  • Oct 10, 2012, 01:40 PM
    speechlesstx
    Adelson was born in Boston, he's allowed to contribute.
  • Oct 10, 2012, 03:44 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Is that as bad as going to Israel and getting contributions?
    Well right off the bat ,one is in Israel and the other the PRC. .
    However ,the fundraising in Israel involved American citizens who were not hiding their contributions in under $200 donations from untracable pre-paid credit cards.
    Quote:

    Romney's finance event marked the first time a presidential candidate has raised cash in Israel. The campaign accepted contributions only from American citizens—since candidates and parties are blocked from raising cash from foreign sources.
    Romney brings in $1 million at Israel fundraiser | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

    You will recall in 2008 the Obots deliberately turned off the systems that would have guarded against the kind of fraudulent donations . The compliant press did not bother extensively covering the story during the key weeks before the election.

    Well now the web site ;Obama.com ,was purchased by an Obama bundler named Robert Roche, who has ties to the Chinese gvt and who's business depends on it.

    You don't have to worry .The press will not cover this in a way it deserves to be covered .After all ;they are too busy following the President around as he defends Big Bird.
  • Oct 10, 2012, 04:41 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    ...who has ties to the Chinese gvt and who's business depends on it.

    Most american businesses depend on the chinese for some product or service. Why point only one out?
  • Oct 10, 2012, 04:51 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Most american businesses depend on the chinese for some product or service. Why point only one out?

    He's in deniel Karma he doesn't want to admit that without chinese manufacturing his economy would collapse. His country has been sold down the creek to the communists by those same capitalists he loves so dearly and all he wants to spout is patriotic claptrap, He is worse than the chinese
  • Oct 10, 2012, 04:55 PM
    talaniman
    Which candidate has Chinese investments and ties and closes American plants to go overseas for sweat shops and cheap labor?

    Just asking?

    HINT>>>>Bain Capital is closing an Illinois plant and shipping jobs to China - National economic policy | Examiner.com
  • Oct 10, 2012, 05:00 PM
    paraclete
    Did you need to ask I thought it was taken as read
  • Oct 10, 2012, 06:17 PM
    cdad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Which candidate has Chinese investments and ties and closes American plants to go overseas for sweat shops and cheap labor?

    Just asking?

    HINT>>>>Bain Capital is closing an Illinois plant and shipping jobs to China - National economic policy | Examiner.com

    What exactly does this have to do with Romney since he hasn't worked for them for 12 years?


    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...leTabs=article
  • Oct 10, 2012, 06:20 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by califdadof3 View Post
    What exactly does this have to do with Romney since he hasnt worked for them for 12 years?

    Romney will benefit financially from this.
  • Oct 10, 2012, 06:41 PM
    cdad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Romney will benefit financially from this.

    And your point is? Im sure there are many others that are making profits from deals where they have some form of investment. That point being that they don't run the company.
  • Oct 10, 2012, 06:47 PM
    talaniman
    Do you really think that he will reign in the profits his old company enjoys? Or old clients who he has dealt with and profited from? Or the sons he has raised to be the business man that he is?

    Have you forgotten the IRA that continues to grow from his Bain association, or "blind" trusts that continue to profit from his business dealings? He doesn't have to own a company to profit from it. Why would he stop after he takes his own tax cuts that benefit him greatly, and his investors.
  • Oct 10, 2012, 08:50 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by califdadof3 View Post
    And your point is? Im sure there are many others that are making profits from deals where they have some form of investment. That point being that they dont run the company.

    In the case of Sensata, Romney reported a charitable donation of $405,000 in Sensata stock that he received as “partnership distributions” in 2010 and 2011, according to his tax returns.

    "One hundred seventy workers at a Sensata Technologies plant in Freeport, Illinois — of which Bain is the majority owner — are calling on Romney to help save their jobs from being shipped to China. The factory manufactures sensors and controls that are used in aircraft and automobiles, but has been dismantling and shipping the plant to China piece by piece — even as it requires the workers to train personally their Chinese replacements, who have been flown in by management."

    http://www.democracynow.org/2012/8/28/workers_at_bain_owned_illinois_factory
  • Oct 10, 2012, 09:11 PM
    talaniman
    Imagine the guys who has to build the stage the bosses used to announce the plant closing.

    Pro-Obama super PAC charges Romney worker built 'own coffin' - The Hill's Video

    Quote:

    Former Marion, Ind. Paper plant worker Mike Earnest said he and other employees of the American Pad and Paper plant were asked to build a stage from which company officials told them the news that their plant was being closed.

    “Mitt Romney made over $100 million dollars by shutting down our plant and devastated our lives,” employee Mike Earnest said in the ad. “Turns out by building the stage, it was like building my own coffin. And it just made me sick.”
    Teach a guy to fish and he can feed himself and his family if he gets dumped by the thrill of chinese cheap labor.
  • Oct 11, 2012, 02:04 AM
    tomder55
    Why don't you worry about all the jobs Obama 'saved ' at GM that are going to China ?
  • Oct 11, 2012, 02:10 AM
    paraclete
    Well Tom it's a before and after situation if GM had been efficient and making the auto's the market wanted the jobs wouldn't be going to China, but what's the difference between China and South Korea, bet you didn't complain when US auto makers bought into South Korea, have you bought your Great Wall yet I hear it's the new Hyundai. This is the aftermath of your multinational corporations, it came back to bite you on the bum
  • Oct 11, 2012, 04:58 AM
    tomder55
    I'm not the one complaining about free trade. I drive a Toyota that was made in the USA . Why shouldn't the Chinese drive a Chevy made in China ?
  • Oct 11, 2012, 05:30 AM
    excon
    Hello again,

    South Carolina law STOPPED!

    Yawn... What's that? 20 out of 20? Did you know that we had THAT many activist judges?? Bwa, ha ha ha.

    excon
  • Oct 11, 2012, 06:07 AM
    tomder55
    So the court says there is nothing wrong with the law ;but gets to decide when the law can be implemented ? Nothing political in that decision.
  • Oct 11, 2012, 06:17 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:

    Quote:

    Nothing political in that decision.
    Quote:

    A federal court on Wednesday blocked South Carolina from enforcing its new voter photo ID law in next month's election, saying that there was not enough time to educate voters and officials about it.
    I don't know about you, but when I read the decision, I see that the PROCESS of implementing the law was flawed.. Once THAT problem is fixed, they have NO problem with the ID law, and I don't either.

    That's anything BUT political, yet you see activist judges... Dude!

    Excon

    PS> Something's BUSTED in the quote system...
  • Oct 11, 2012, 06:36 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    PS> Something's BUSTED in the quote system...
    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/forum-...ng-708295.html
  • Oct 11, 2012, 07:22 AM
    TUT317
    Hi again NK,

    Why can't they wait until all the old people die before they implement these changes?

    .
  • Oct 11, 2012, 07:43 AM
    speechlesstx
    So Romney is once again killing people. Your side is kind of sick and desperate.
  • Oct 11, 2012, 07:48 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    So Romney is once again killing people.
    Who said that?
  • Oct 11, 2012, 07:52 AM
    TUT317
    Sorry Steve that's my fault.

    NK, was having a discussion about the old skin versus the new skin at ASKMEHELP DESK. There seems to be some opposition from the older members.

    It kind of reminds me of an old Australian joke from the 1960's when we changed over to the metric system.

    Two old ladies go into a butcher shop and ask for a pound of sausages. The butcher say that she is really asking for 4.5 Kilos of sausages.

    One of the elderly ladies replies that she finds it impossible to cope with the new metric system. She says to the butcher, "Why couldn't they wait until all the old people die before they introduced this dam system?"


    Tut
  • Oct 11, 2012, 08:33 AM
    speechlesstx
    No, no Tut, I was referring to this post, this thread, Ryan pushing granny over a cliff and other obsessions the left has with accusing/implying Republicans are killing people.
  • Oct 11, 2012, 08:44 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    obsessions the left has with accusing/implying Republicans are killing people.
    Hello again, Steve:

    So, when Sarah Palin mentioned death panels, she was only kidding... I think YOU were on board with 'em too.

    Look, I know you think you're the good guys, but you're anything BUT.

    Excon
  • Oct 11, 2012, 08:47 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    No, no Tut, I was referring to this post, this thread, Ryan pushing granny over a cliff and other obsessions the left has with accusing/implying Republicans are killing people.
    Absolutely nowhere in any of those posts does anyone accuse Romney of killing people. Only you said that.
  • Oct 11, 2012, 09:08 AM
    speechlesstx
    I said "accusing/implying".

    Quote:

    “Mitt Romney made over $100 million dollars by shutting down our plant and devastated our lives,” employee Mike Earnest said in the ad. “Turns out by building the stage, it was like building my own coffin. And it just made me sick.”
    I guess the guy felt like he was building his own coffin to use it as a coffee table and not you know, as an actual coffin.
  • Oct 11, 2012, 09:14 AM
    speechlesstx
    Ex, you know I acknowledge good and bad on both sides.

    You don't like the term "death panel" for a board that actually WILL decide what medical treatments will be paid for, and I don't like the term "voter suppression" for requiring an ID to prevent my vote from being wasted.

    I personally think trying to encourage participation in elections by safeguarding them and allowing people to choose their medical care is a good thing.
  • Oct 11, 2012, 09:27 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    You don't like the term "death panel" for a board that actually WILL decide what medical treatments will be paid for

    Insurance companies already do this. They are the current death panels.
    Quote:

    I don't like the term "voter suppression" for requiring an ID to prevent my vote from being wasted.
    Voter suppression is putting an ID directive in place right before an election.
  • Oct 11, 2012, 09:29 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Insurance companies already do this. They are the current death panels.

    Voter suppression is putting an ID directive in place right before an election.
    Correct.
  • Oct 11, 2012, 09:38 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I don't like the term "voter suppression" for requiring an ID to prevent my vote from being wasted.

    It's like a state law that all guns must be surrendered to one's local police station a month before an election and then be reclaimed once the gun owner has voted and received an official "I voted" ticket.
  • Oct 11, 2012, 09:44 AM
    NeedKarma
    Or the seven states that ban atheists from holding public office.
  • Oct 11, 2012, 10:06 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    It's like a state law that all guns must be surrendered to one's local police station a month before an election and then be reclaimed once the gun owner has voted and received an official "I voted" ticket.
    It's nothing like that at all.

    Quote:

    Voter suppression is putting an ID directive in place right before an election.
    It's ALWAYS right before an election. It would seem rather pointless to wait to implement a voter ID law until AFTER the election.

    FYI so you can move on to whatever other pointless spin you guys may have in reserve, South Carolina's voter ID law was proposed on 12/10/08, almost 4 years ago.
  • Oct 11, 2012, 10:21 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    It's nothing like that at all.

    It is PRECISELY like that.
    Quote:

    It's ALWAYS right before an election. It would seem rather pointless to wait to implement a voter ID law until AFTER the election.
    No, it would be implemented a year or so before an election in order to give EVERYONE time to comply.
  • Oct 11, 2012, 10:32 AM
    tomder55
    There's always elections . Steve made the key point. This is just a stalling tactic so that it wouldn't apply to THIS election .
  • Oct 11, 2012, 10:36 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    It is PRECISELY like that.
    Sorry, but it's really, really not like that at all.

    Quote:

    No, it would be implemented a year or so before an election in order to give EVERYONE time to comply.
    And again, back to square one. Exactly how much time is 'enough' time? Especially seeing as how libs are going to drag it through the courts no matter when it's passed or what it says?
  • Oct 11, 2012, 10:42 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Sorry, but it's really, really not like that at all.

    It's a request for a limited time that targets only certain voters.
    Quote:

    And again, back to square one. Exactly how much time is 'enough' time?
    A year is fair. A few months is not.
  • Oct 11, 2012, 10:58 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    And again, back to square one. Exactly how much time is 'enough' time? Especially seeing as how libs are going to drag it through the courts no matter when it's passed or what it says?

    Time enough to get it right on the process/implementation level and be fair enough so there will be no court case. Of course either side can disagree with the fairness, and challenge it through the courts. That's a right of due process. You guys have been losing all year, starting with Obamacare!

    Something must be seriously wrong with the way you guys have handled things. You can't blame that on liberals, but something tells me you will!
  • Oct 11, 2012, 11:05 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    It's a request for a limited time that targets only certain voters.
    No it doesn't, it APPLIES to EVERY voter.

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