Here we go again. When will you figure out that these cuts to middle class workers, be it health, services, or wages (that have been stagnant for decades), wouldn't be necessary if you rolled back taxes, and closed tax loopholes to the corporations who ain't making no jobs.

Will Higher Taxes Tank the Economy?

How many times do we have to go through this same thing again??

More corporate welfare, that's a great solution. Case in point, Romney talking about HIS being as unemployed as everybody else. That's gall!!

Tal, in both instances we're talking government employees, not your average middle class, private sector worker. I know I don't get 6 weeks off a year like my county deputy sheriff brother, or all the state holidays like my brother at TXDOT, or have so much sick leave and personal time built up I could take half the year off, nor can I retire after 15 or 20 years with full pension and benefits, all thanks to YOUR tax dollars.

Plus, though I'd prefer a FAIR or flat tax, I have no problem closing some corporate loopholes, internet sales tax loopholes and the like. But is that going to cover the $1400 per household per year for 30 years needed just to cover public employee benefits? I don't think so, and no matter how you look at it, things should never have gotten that out of hand.

P.S. I don't think I offered anything about more corporate welfare as a solution.

Its pretty simple, but you have to look at the way each state handles its budget short falls. Just as federally, lower taxes creates less revenue, and as you remember that's what was done in 2001, why, because there were no wars and no housing crisis, and no recession.

But when the crisis hit globally through the banks and wall street, the government eased the pain, to give states a buffer and a chance to adjust. (the stimulus) Just like the Federal budget deficit, a balanced approach, with shared sacrifice is what's needed, and most people are okay with that.

You only have to look at the way some states addressed this problem, to see that people just don't like additional tax cuts for corporations while they take cuts in benefits and services. So far this has only been in states with newly elected Republican governors. That's not a coincidence. Democratic governors have raised taxes, and made cuts also, and as yet you don't see the people congregating en mass on state capitals. Why is that? Tell me how Illinois closes its debt gaps, and Wisconsin has a march??

I can tell you why, because the states that had the balanced approach, (as you have said you are for), sat down at the table, and made an agreement for shared sacrifice, and the ones who cut corporate state taxes on the backs of workers, benefits, and services, in the name of balancing a budget,

And when you get a chance, ask that trooper brother what his union had to give up to get his so called perks. Its an untold story. When any worker takes benefits, its in lieu of WAGES, and its no secret the middle class wages haven't gone up in darn near 15 years, unlike private sector corporations, because other things have taken there place. Funny how when you negotiate, and not dictate and are fair how people go along with you.

The story in New Jersey is just getting started, just like in Wisconsin, Michigan, Florida, and Ohio.Stay tuned before you make it a success story. State workers are no different than private sector workers, just ask a teacher, or a cop, or a firefighter. The staple of the neighborhoods they live in.

I will be honest, what pisses me off is the very ones who holler about THEIR rights, don't care about anyone else's, and that my friend, is the problem in a nutshell. Not you personally, mind you, but the ones who say how bad government is, and then make policies that take from the weak, and poor, and give to the rich.

I guess you can tell that I just don't like the style of some of my fellow Americans. Republican Governors particularly.

That's why they raise hell in some states and not in others.

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I guess you can tell that I just don't like the style of some of my fellow Americans. Republican Governors particularly.

Thats why they raise hell in some states and not in others.

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The reason they're raising hell is the unions are stirring sh*t up.

That's what happens when you disrespect a group, and vilify them. You'd be pissed too wouldn't you?? Its not their fault somebody can't count, or somebody can, and robbed ALL of us. Follow the money, it didn't trickle down, so who stopped it?

And these guys are Governors, not dictators. The fire guy, or the teacher didn't rip us off.

It may not be their fault, but the question is how did it ever get this bad? There were a lot of governors and legislators on both sides letting it get that bad for a long time, and it can't continue, period.

Speaking of disrespecting a group, that's why the Tea Party hit a nerve. And what happened? The left, from the president down, disrespected them even more and the community organize in chief himself was at the forefront of stirring sh*t up with his union cohorts at Tea Party rallies. How'd that work out for them?

Tea party people are angry, and riled up, plenty of emotions for sure, but the money is from the top, and so are the policies. Their anger is subverted, and misdirected.

I would be wary of anyone who followed the sick logic of Rush Limbaugh, and Karl Rove, and we are a long way from getting all the FACTS. November 2012!!

Tal, I went to a Tea Party once and Rush and Karl were nowhere to be found. Just a bunch of normal citizens fed up with government.

That's not where the money comes from, follow the money.

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On both sides. Obama spent the last few years demonizing Wall Street, now he's sucking up to them for money.

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Ahhh taxes to the progressive is like breating air . They can't get enough of it. The truth is that revenues are fine. They are close to 20 % of the GDP The Federal Government has plenty revenues. What they have however is an addiction to spending.. The Obots have spending at 24% of GDP . Reduce the spending down to 2008 levels and you would soon see balanced budgets and reductions in the deficit .

Even states like Kalifornia are beginning to understand that . The state legislature is learning their lesson the hard way.
The people decided if they submitted a fantasy budget that the clowns in the state house would not get paid for their efforts. Guess what... they submitted a fantasy budget anyway and now their wallets are a bit lighter today.

State budgets, and Federal budgets are TWO different things entirely. This recession is about money not circulating, crucial for any economy, nor is it trickling down. Be one thing if corporations were paying something, but between off shore accounts, outsourcing American jobs, and smart tax lawyers, the economy has been drained of any kind of circulation, because there is nothing to circulate. This is a man made problem, and not a coincidence. Too much spending? Perhaps, you can trim some fat, and increase some revenues by giving money away to corporations who don't need it, make Wall Street do what its supposed to do, INVEST, to circulate some money, and make obstructionist REPUBLICAN do there job and legislate, instead of keeping us down so they can gain POWER again.

If the American people say raise taxes on the rich, DO IT!! Then cut some spending rationally. What more evidence do you need when the Dem's agree to cut 2 trillion freaking dollars, and the repubs can't raise a single tax, or close loopholes, or rework the tax structure.

I know you guys want to shrink Government, and do as you please, but you are really good at not SHARING the country with those who don't agree.

Still waiting for those jobs you promised by the way. That's what you won 2010 with, so deliver.

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Indeed it is :
TARP ;Stimulus ,Dodd Frank , Fed easy money ,and Obamacare. Obama complains that corporations were forced to go the efficiency route ;but it's his failed pump priming policies that brought that on.

BTW ;it won't win any points with me railing against Wall Street. I was the one here who said let the markets do their punishing when the rest of the country panicked about some banks on the verge of collapse. I to this day do not believe in "too big to fail" .

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Still waiting for those jobs you promised by the way. That's what you won 2010 with, so deliver

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Getting 1/2 of Congress will not get it done... but it's a good start. Still need to retake the Senate and the Presidency. Biden and co. are stonewalling on the debt ceiling and budget negotiations ,and the compliant press has already picked up the mantle of the Shumer talking point that the Republicans are at fault. The American people understand that jobs will come when some fiscal sanity returns to Washington, and some people running the country who understand the you need to create a business friendly environment, instead of treating business as a piñata for rhetorical demagoguery,

I do fault repubs, for the rhetoric and the stalling tactics, the blatant obstruction, the power grabs, and thinks part of the country lives at the whim of the other. I blame repubs for not negotiating, and COMPROMISING for solutions. They way I see it, I survived repubs presidents, and congresses, and its your turn to survive democrats. Yeah it's a vicious cycle ain't it.

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Half the American people know that giving ALL the money to corporations doesn't make jobs. Your half doesn't seem to know that. Half the people know that giving ALL the money to corporations who have been sending jobs overseas, for decades, are not to be trusted, and doesn't make sense.

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If them making record profits without making jobs, isn't friendly enough, WHAT IS??

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Its not rhetoric, its fact, just look at the profits and the shrinking middle class, and what the repubs are helping them do to America. Not just the Dem half, but the repub half.

What you think all the struggling masses are DEMOCRATS??

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I do fault repubs, for the rhetoric and the stalling tactics, the blatant obstruction, the power grabs, and thinks part of the country lives at the whim of the other. I blame repubs for not negotiating, and COMPROMISING for solutions. They way I see it, I survived repubs presidents, and congresses, and its your turn to survive democrats. Yeah its a vicious cycle ain't it.

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Yep, you survived the Bush years when the Democrats were proud to stall and obstruct. I'm sure I'll survive the Obama years through all his power grabs and Democrats refusal to compromise, such as the Obamacare legislation that was rammed through against public opinion while Republicans were locked out of discussions.

P.S. The Democrats own this economy, how's it going?

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Hello again, Steve:

How IS it going?? Well, that depends on how you define "is".

I say, given that we were already OVER the cliff and headed straight down, that Obama saved us from hitting bottom. No, we have NOT yet been pulled all the way back up. But, we DIDN'T hit bottom...

You sound like a guy who stops hitting himself in the head with a hammer and wonders where he got all those marks.

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Better than it was when Bush left.

Hello again,

Nahhh... It ain't over yet. I think we might see a READJUSTMENT in the Wisconsin Supreme Court. Seems as though the recently re-elected Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prosser attempted to strangle liberal Justice Ann Walsh Bradley during an argument last week. The cops are investigating.

excon

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