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Here's one of the leaders of your "peaceful protestors" giving his view about burning the place down. Black Lives Matter leader states if US, "doesn't give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/black-...rn-down-system

viva la revolution

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Here's one of the leaders of your "peaceful protestors" giving his view about burning the place down. Black Lives Matter leader states if US, "doesn't give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/black-...rn-down-system

You've tried those sound bites without full context before. Have you by chance seen the FULL interview?

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/...60&u=t&o=f&l=f

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You've tried those sound bites without full context before. Have you by chance seen the FULL interview?

By chance I sure have.

As to your cartoon, at some point you have to get to specific examples of all of this "unfairness".

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Here's one of the leaders of your "peaceful protestors" giving his view about burning the place down. Black Lives Matter leader states if US, "doesn't give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it."

Not "the place." The quote says "this SYSTEM" -- which is long overdue being burned down and replaced.

Can't burn down a system, but you can pretend his remark was harmless if you want to. As to your attitude towards our system, it's like I said before. You need to give live in most of the rest of the world for six months. You'll kiss the ground when you get back.

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Can't burn down a system, but you can pretend his remark was harmless if you want to. As to your attitude towards our system, it's like I said before. You need to give live in most of the rest of the world for six months. You'll kiss the ground when you get back.

How arrogant of you! You have no idea of the places where I've lived and visited.

The system we're in needs tearing apart and the shreds thrown onto a trash pile and burned!

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The system we're in needs tearing apart and the shreds thrown onto a trash pile and burned!

Like I said. Go somewhere else for a while.

Now to a point I would agree with you that some of it needs to be changed, but I have a a funny feeling we would not agree on what needs changing.

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Like I said. Go somewhere else for a while.

Where do you suggest I go? to Mississippi???

There is no need to go somewhere else when you know your own house needs fixing because people have been telling you the walls are peeling and the windows broken. You haven't listened so you think since its better than any other house on the block why fix it? That's the flaw in your logic my friend, so don't let the language used out of the frustration of being ignored for so long make an excuse not to fix your own raggedy house up.

Get busy and fix your own house and be grateful that you can make it a better house and not just wallow in the depths of mediocrity because every other house is even raggedier. That would be a show of national pride fixing up our own house just because it sure could stand it.

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I'd still like to know where you see systemic racism.

Let me help you.

Systemic racism is when people ignore 400 years of slavery, Jim Crow, KKK, lynchings, segregation, discrimination, murder by cop - and instead key on current day wedlock, crime, drug statistics, and anything under the sun that can be laid against the oppressed group without once mentioning the 4 centuries that led up to the poverty and ongoing racism underlying all those statistics.

That's one form of systemic racism. If you want more, which I doubt, research the term on that huge library that is right there at your fingertips, the internet.

Empty and pathetically meaningless answer. If you don't know, then just don't post. Reflecting on what everyone here already knows about accomplishes nothing.

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Reflecting on what everyone here already knows about accomplishes nothing.

Everyone except you. Time for you to reflect and research. Posting mindless rebuttals accomplishes nothing.

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Posting mindless rebuttals accomplishes nothing.

I'm glad you are finally starting to learn that. Now maybe you can stop doing it.

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the debts of mediocrity

What???

As for the rest of your post, Tal, I keep telling you that if you come up with some specific suggestions, then we can discuss them. You posted some earlier today and I replied to them. You have not responded so I'm kind of disappointed. But at any rate, saying that some things need to be changed is far different from suggesting we burn the system down. To use your analogy, it is one thing to fix the house where it needs it. It is altogether different to suggest we just burn the whole thing down and start over from the ashes with no resources to work with.

WG, coming to Mississippi would be refreshing to you. We don't kill ten or fifteen people every weekend.

Why we don't need to do mail-in voting.

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I'm glad you are finally starting to learn that. Now maybe you can stop doing it.

You first.

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WG, coming to Mississippi would be refreshing to you. We don't kill ten or fifteen people every weekend.

Been there. Wasn't impressed in the least. And I'm not from and don't live in Chicago.

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I'm glad you are finally starting to learn that. Now maybe you can stop doing it. [Mindless rebuttals}

The mindlessness is all yours, always has been. Own it.

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The mindlessness is all yours, always has been. Own it.

Thank you for giving a wonderful illustration of your point concerning mindless rebuttals.

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Thank you for giving a wonderful illustration of your point concerning mindless rebuttals.

I used your method of non-rebuttal rebuttals.

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I used your method of non-rebuttal rebuttals.

You must like it a lot.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

You must like it a lot.

Just to point out your method so others can see - and judge.

I welcome that.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I welcome that.

So do I.

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Minor actions that would do little to help.

I disagree with the premise that making cops accountable for their own actions is a little thing, as with a badge, gun and authority to use deadly force in serving and protecting citizens and property comes great responsibility.

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Mail in ballots is a terrible idea. It opens wide the door to voter fraud. The other issues are worth discussing. We don't have long lines around here so maybe the rest of the country needs to copy us.

Its been used in many states with NO fraud and voter fraud has been proven to not be a big issue and rare, and more mistake than intention. It worked so great in IOWA during a record turnout and no fraud that the repub state legislature is trying to eliminate it.

Why because they like the dufus believes that easer safer voting by mail leads to higher turn outs that lead to repub defeats. Repubs have tried for years to suppress the minorities and poor from voting with all kinds of rules to eliminate voter fraud where there is none and never been any except on rare occasions. Present day Jim Crow tactics. Maybe you don't have long lines because maybe you don't have to accommodate the number of voters big cities do, which are made simply by closing a number of polling places and limiting voter machines. So you get those long lines I'm sure you've seen elsewhere, so how would you like to spend all day in a line in whatever the weather is for those reason. Hmm, now how could we copy Mississippi and eliminate those long lines?

Oh wait Ms. has long lines in more populated areas too! Imagine that.

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I'm all in favor of ed reform. I would prefer privatizing the whole enterprise, or at least letting private schools get a piece of the pie. The whole issue of poor kids being trapped in low performing, unsafe schools should be a national disgrace.

Except what happens to kids and those lousy schools that privatization doesn't take in? Why not privatize the whole lousy school if that's the answer instead of just taking a few and leaving the rest in that lousy school?

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I don't care for the "living wage" idea. It would mean at least doubling the min wage and would lock out of the job market those with marginal skills or who have a checkered past. Besides, only 2% of workers are making min wage, and even in our area here, which is hardly an economic wonderworld, very few places pay min wage. However, I could be talked into at least considering the idea IF it was coupled with a drastic downsizing of the welfare system since, after all, people making a "living wage" can now support themselves.

A living wage allows for eliminating poverty, and relieves the burden of welfare costs. More on that as time permits. You already have a lot of my posts to review, and are you noticing redundant questions aren't met with redundant responses?

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The better approach is to stress with workers the importance of doing your job in an efficient manner. Make yourself more valuable. Learn new skills. Take some responsibility for your life. But with your idea, millions of Americans would simply lose their jobs since the employers would find other ways of doing business rather than having to pay someone more than he or she is worth.

Other ways of doing business like overseas cheap labor and robots? I know first hand how that works, and also that no matter how hard you work, everybody cannot rise to the top. Think about that. I have posted much how rich guys assign value that helps them and not workers and is that even fair? Far as I'm concerned a business that cannot pay a living wage is useless to our society.

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Most important factor is to have a healthy economy. When unemployment gets low, then businesses are forced to compete for good labor and pay goes up.

LOL, between the normal business cycle and market demands and conditions even in a healthy economy it ebbs and flows drops and rises and a virus can wipe the whole great economy out. Hello, where is our great economy NOW!

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Isn't it what you call "throwing rocks"? And since we both do it, then why are you complaining about it?

No complaints from me, just a respectful pause to let you do your thing.

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I do commend you for posting your ideas. I'd still like to know where you see systemic racism.

Answered in other posts. You must have missed it, forgot it, or dismissed it. More will follow. No I'm not going into great details and get in the weeds of minutiae, because what would be the point?

you might wonder how it has come to this;

cops doing their own thing, poverty rampant, a health system in chaos, but it is all down to lack of leadership

[talinman: Answered in other posts. You must have missed it, forgot it, or dismissed it. More will follow. No I'm not going into great details and get in the weeds of minutiae, because what would be the point?

The point of dismissing it is to deny it.

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I disagree with the premise that making cops accountable for their own actions is a little thing, as with a badge, gun and authority to use deadly force in serving and protecting citizens and property comes great responsibility.

Perhaps I should have said RELATIVELY little thing. Cutting out of wedlock births to 20% would be far, far, far more productive. It never ceases to amaze me that is gets so little attention when there is so much potential for good.

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Its been used in many states with NO fraud and voter fraud has been proven to not be a big issue and rare, and more mistake than intention.

Which states have used mail in ballots for a general election for all voters to use?

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Except what happens to kids and those lousy schools that privatization doesn't take in? Why not privatize the whole lousy school if that's the answer instead of just taking a few and leaving the rest in that lousy school?

Sounds good to me.

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A living wage allows for eliminating poverty, and relieves the burden of welfare costs. More on that as time permits. You already have a lot of my posts to review, and are you noticing redundant questions aren't met with redundant responses?

What do you consider a living wage to be? Do you see any exemptions for teen agers and for part-time workers? Would it eliminate welfare programs? Are you prepared for prices to go up on most of the items you purchase?

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Answered in other posts. You must have missed it, forgot it, or dismissed it. More will follow. No I'm not going into great details and get in the weeds of minutiae, because what would be the point?

No, it hasn't been answered other than to talk about issues from two or three hundred years ago. I'm just amazed that you complain about it so much but can't identify anything other than some isolated voting issues, some isolated issues with the police, or issues with education which we both agree should be taken care of. Where is the "systemic" racism? And no, I'm not going with your links. Already learned better than to waste my time with that. Way too many disappointments with that.

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Cutting out of wedlock births to 20% would be far, far, far more productive.

That's why abortion is legal.

"Abortion is legal throughout the United States and its territories...." (Wikipedia)

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Which states have used mail in ballots for a general election for all voters to use?

Five states currently conduct all elections entirely by mail: Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, and Utah.

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That's why abortion is legal.

"Abortion is legal throughout the United States and its territories...." (Wikipedia)

I was afraid that would be your answer. Just kill the pesky little critters. Problem solved. I would prefer to see a return to basic morality.

As to mail-in ballots, how do they make sure that I'm not filling out the ballots for my wife, my two adult kids, and me?

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I was afraid that would be your answer. Just kill the pesky little critters. Problem solved.

Why not? You don't want to deal with them. Even Caucasians don't have basic morality.

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As to mail-in ballots, how do they make sure that I'm not filling out the ballots for my wife, my two adult kids, and me?

Google is your friend.

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Why not?

What a shame that you don't know.

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Even Caucasians don't have basic morality.

That's a strange racial statement.

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Google is your friend.

In other words, you have no idea.

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What a shame that you don't know.

My "why not?" was dripping with sarcasm.

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That's a strange racial statement.

You need to get off of that church pew and into the world.

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In other words, you have no idea.

I was so, so afraid my link wouldn't work or that you would refuse to read it. I know how you are.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Why not? You don't want to deal with them. Even Caucasians don't have basic morality.

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That is appallingly racist, caucasians no more lack morality than any other race, but you do have to wonder, wondergirl, why it is that the black race is overrepresented in the penal system, not just in america but in other places, is it racism or lack of morality?

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Originally Posted by paraclete

That is appallingly racist, caucasians more more lack morality than any other race, but you do have to wonder, wondergirl, why it is that the black race is overrepresented in the penal system, not just in america but in other places, is it racism or lack of morality?

Racism.

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Racism.

but if they didn't offend they wouldn't get jailed

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but if they didn't offend they wouldn't get jailed

Not true. They've been killed when not offending.

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You need to get off of that church pew and into the world.

You mean like working in Native American schools, public schools, or drug rehab facilities?

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I was so, so afraid my link wouldn't work or that you would refuse to read it. I know how you are.

Yeah. Right. It couldn't possibly have been that you had no idea. And even at that, your link had nothing to do with my question.

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Not true.

And again you have no idea what you're talking about. FBI crime stats show clearly that black men are much more likely to be involved in criminal behavior. That fact is well known and widely circulated. I'll be glad to link that for you if you'd like with a link that will work.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Not true. They've been killed when not offending.

I wasn't debating that don't avoid the issue, white people also get killed while not offending but not for the same reasons

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I wasn't debating that don't avoid the issue, white people also get killed while not offending but not for the same reasons

White people aren't the issue, nor black on black crime, or any other crimes except COPS KILLING BLACK people because they can get away with it. Now if you like JL agree they should then you and him are part of the problem.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

White people aren't the issue, nor black on black crime, or any other crimes except COPS KILLING BLACK people because they can get away with it. Now if you like JL agree they should then you and him are part of the problem.

what you are saying is cops never have cause to kill a black man