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  • Oct 19, 2012, 07:28 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:

    Well, OBVIOUSLY, the poll is rigged...

    excon
  • Oct 19, 2012, 08:06 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    There is no lie, he initiated the effort and then carried it out. I gave you the quote:

    That's the LIE Speech, he didn't iniate the effort at all, he and other candidates approached him. He knew he initiated nothing.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    My question is when will Obama White House follow the Lilly Bedwetter Fair Pay Act? The median annual salary for female White House employees was 18% less than male employees ....$60,000 compared with $71,000.

    I also want to know why the President runs a White House that is a hostile work environment for women according to former White House communications director and Mao Tse-tung fan Anita Dunn .
    Why is the President waging war on women?

    Equal work for equal pay, so prove that the averages may be different but the pay is not the same. Should I give you a link AGAIN as to what levels of staff get what level of pay?

    I have also provided a link for the Dunn statement if you had bothered to read it.
  • Oct 19, 2012, 08:20 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    That's the LIE Speech, he didn't iniate the effort at all, he and other candidates approached him. He knew he initiated nothing.
    What the heck are you talking about? You're making no sense whatsoever, Tal.
  • Oct 19, 2012, 08:35 AM
    talaniman
    Romney spun his comments about hiring women to make it look like it was his idea when in fact it was MASSGAP who approached him and his opponent and other state candidates in Massechusets lobbying for more females to be appointed.

    That's the LIE, he initiated nothing.
  • Oct 19, 2012, 09:03 AM
    speechlesstx
    And so he pledged then actively sought out women after he won. Misleading maybe, a lie, no. Unlike POTUS who has great difficulty keeping any promise, he did what he said he would do.
  • Oct 19, 2012, 11:19 AM
    talaniman
    Did Romney support Lily Ledbetter? Or did he support the BLUNT bill?
  • Oct 19, 2012, 02:38 PM
    TUT317
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    What the heck are you talking about? You're making no sense whatsoever, Tal.


    Tal is actually correct.

    The way the sentences are constructed Romney didn't bring us any binders full of women. It was the women's groups that did the bringing.

    The clumsy grammar is actually at the end of the Romney quote. In fact the three quotes provide in the article are grammatically poor.

    Tut
  • Oct 19, 2012, 02:57 PM
    speechlesstx
    Obama is only interested in votes, Romney actually made good on his promise to women.
  • Oct 19, 2012, 03:10 PM
    TUT317
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Obama is only interested in votes, Romney actually made good on his promise to women.

    My comment wasn't actually directed at one individual.The three quotes provided are in fact from three individuals.

    Making good policy decisions is not going to win him enough votes. He needs to create more anxiety.

    Tut
  • Oct 19, 2012, 03:15 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Obama is only interested in votes, Romney actually made good on his promise to women.

    The exact opposite is true.

    R want to get us women home from work in time to make dinner for the family--and to give foot rubs to the master.
  • Oct 19, 2012, 03:58 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    The exact opposite is true.

    R want to get us women home from work in time to make dinner for the family--and to give foot rubs to the master.

    So is that why he hired so many women as governor, to give foot rubs and cook dinner?

    Again you show why I can't take you seriously.
  • Oct 19, 2012, 04:04 PM
    NeedKarma
    Sadly his record is not as you say it is:

    Axelrod: Romney record on hiring women at Bain 'poor' - The Hill's Video

    Fact check: Romney

    As Governor, Romney's Eagerness to Hire Women Faded - NYTimes.com

    Romney's Record On 'Binders Full Of Women' | Here & Now
  • Oct 19, 2012, 04:09 PM
    talaniman
    Wonder why he didn't run for re election?
  • Oct 20, 2012, 02:18 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Wonder why he didn't run for re election?

    Because he ran for President.
  • Oct 20, 2012, 07:07 AM
    talaniman
    Good thing he's rich. I don't think he will be successful this time either.
  • Oct 20, 2012, 08:07 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tal:

    The right wing doesn't believe there IS a war on women. That's why Romney is trying to COUNTER it with his new push for women... Yeah, I know... Doesn't make sense..

    So, if the right wing can believe there's NO war on women, they can CERTAINLY convince themselves that Romney is very PRO women...

    But, THAT is entirely NUTS. We don't want a NUT in the Whitehouse... I didn't like Bush.. But, he wasn't NUTS!

    excon
  • Oct 20, 2012, 09:05 AM
    tomder55
    That is another well worn out talking point of the left... "the last Repubic wasn't crazy like this one is ":
  • Oct 20, 2012, 11:24 AM
    talaniman
    Mitts 5 point plan is the same one GWB had, and his advisors are neocons from the Bush administration. He is more aggressive, less funny, and suffers from Romnesia.

    You tell me the difference!

    At least of the 112 justices on the SCOTUS, 4 have been women and half have been appointed by Obama. Ya think Mitt has a binder for that?
  • Oct 20, 2012, 01:24 PM
    tomder55
    Were they the most qualified ;or were they part of a quota system ? Did Obama find them in a binder ?
  • Oct 20, 2012, 02:48 PM
    talaniman
    They were confirmed by the senate, so why does it matter?

    Elena Kagan Supreme Court nomination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    63-37

    Sonia Sotomayor Supreme Court nomination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    68-31

    Bi partisan agreement! What more could you ask for?
  • Oct 22, 2012, 06:28 AM
    speechlesstx
    I honestly still have to laugh at the thought of a right-wing war on women. The idea is absurd. You guys sound like 3rd graders.
  • Oct 22, 2012, 06:42 AM
    speechlesstx
    P.S.
    Quote:

    a fox news poll of Florida likely voters shows republican nominee mitt romney now tops barack obama in the battleground state by 48 percent to 45 percent.

    The poll, released Friday, shows an eight-point reversal and a four-point increase for romney. Last month, he trailed obama by 44-49 percent (september 16-18, 2012)…

    Consider this: Obama tops romney by one percentage point among women now, down from a 19-point edge last month. and romney has extended his advantage among married women to 13 points, up from a seven-point edge.
    Obviously the war on women thingy is working.
  • Oct 22, 2012, 06:55 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:

    Those stats tell me the war on women IS working just fine, from your point of view. Right doesn't always prevail.

    excon
  • Oct 22, 2012, 11:58 AM
    speechlesstx
    But in this case it does, there's nothing right about a phony war on women.
  • Oct 22, 2012, 04:46 PM
    talaniman
    You can't see a war because you are just protecing the unborn child. Whether its wanted or NOT, but yet like a dead beat dad, your party seeks to make sure a female gets NO help and support for the choice you force her to make.
  • Oct 22, 2012, 05:28 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    You can't see a war because you are just protecing the unborn child. Whether its wanted or NOT, but yet like a dead beat dad, your party seeks to make sure a female gets NO help and support for the choice you force her to make.

    Wrong, Tal. No one wants to leave a woman helpless. Support comes in more forms than just giving her justification for abortion.
  • Oct 22, 2012, 05:32 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Support comes in more forms than just giving her justification for abortion.

    Please list all the forms.
  • Oct 23, 2012, 06:29 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Please list all the forms.
    Have you never heard of a crisis pregnancy center?

    Quote:

    The pregnancy-center clinic, with its new ultrasound machine, has been open only since December, but already the staff can count the women who came in considering an abortion and changed their minds: five women converted, six lives saved, they declare, since one was carrying twins. "They connected," nurse Joyce Wilson says, recalling the reaction of the women who saw the filmy image of their fetus onscreen. "They bonded. You could just see it. One girl got off the table and said, 'That's my baby.'"

    "Another got up," Deborah Wood says, "and said, 'This changes everything.'"

    Wood is the CEO of Asheville Pregnancy Support Services in Asheville, North Carolina, one of the thousands of crisis pregnancy centers in the U.S. that are working to end abortion. Hers is the new face of an old movement: kind, calm, nonjudgmental, a special-forces soldier in the abortion wars who is fighting her battles one conscience at a time. Her center helps women navigate the social-service bureaucracy, sign up for Medicaid and begin prenatal care. She helps pregnant girls find emergency housing if their parents threaten to throw them out. Free pregnancy tests and ultrasounds are just the latest service.
    I've had enough of this lie: "Whether its wanted or NOT, but yet like a dead beat dad, your party seeks to make sure a female gets NO help and support for the choice you force her to make."

    We give plenty of help to women in need; it's just not the kind the pro-choice side wants, unfettered taxpayer funded access to abortion - with or without parental permission for minors, teaching PP's sex ed programs, forcing the church to buy contraceptives, etc.

    We not only help them out of our own time and money to get what help they need, they get compassion, hope, understanding and most importantly, unconditional LOVE. Don't tell me a woman doesn't want to be loved.
  • Oct 23, 2012, 06:51 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Have you never heard of a crisis pregnancy center?
    Not until now:

    'Choose life' to fund centers | CharlotteObserver.com
    Quote:

    NARAL says it found the majority of the centers it investigated in North Carolina had no medical professionals on staff, and only a quarter of them disclosed they were not medical facilities. More than two-thirds provided distorted or false information about abortion risks and consequences.

    The report says one Jewish investigator who posed as a pregnant woman was told at five centers she wouldn't go to heaven unless she converted to Christianity, and that one volunteer challenged her to become a "born-again virgin."
    Feminist Campus - Campaign to Expose Fake Clinics

    San Francisco Tells Crisis Pregnancy Centers to Stop Lying to Women | The Stir

    Christian Pregnancy Crisis Clinics Exposed - YouTube

    UCLA Student Exposes The False "Options" Of Crisis Pregnancy Centers
  • Oct 23, 2012, 07:17 AM
    speechlesstx
    Dude, I could just as easily post far worse info about Planned Parenthood and NARAL is hardly an unbiased voice I'd go to for the scoop on pro-life groups.

    I don't know anything about "anti-abortion clinics" but I am well familiar with respected crisis pregnancy centers. But leave it to you to demean the idea of giving women not only the support they need that Tal claims we don't offer, but love and compassion in the process.
  • Oct 23, 2012, 07:24 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    respected crisis pregnancy centers
    Apparently they are anything but "respected". I see no love and compassion but instilling guilt using deception during a difficult period in a woman's life. Shame of them for their bait and switch techniques.
  • Oct 23, 2012, 07:49 AM
    speedball1
    Quote:

    Have you never heard of a crisis pregnancy center?
    Need Karma nailed it! Way ta go Karma! We had several in Sarasota that specialized in guilt trips, "You're going to Hell if you abort." _You're going to Hell if you don't embrace our particular brand of religion."
    They attempted to word their phone book ad to look like ours so girls would think they would be walking into a Woman's Clinic. The phone company put a stop to that.
    Pregnancy Centers work on guilt, falsehood and half truths. None of them has a medical background but they insist on giving out medical advice. I can picture Speechless as a director for one of them. Tom
  • Oct 23, 2012, 09:21 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Apparently they are anything but "respected".
    What part of I don't know anything about "anti-abortion clinics" do you not get? We're talking apples and oranges here, dude.

    Quote:

    I see no love and compassion but instilling guilt using deception during a difficult period in a woman's life. Shame of them for their bait and switch techniques.
    I agree, but I'm sure you won't let the truth get in the way of your smears anyway.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ;
    Need Karma nailed it! Way ta go Karma! We had several in Sarasota that specialized in guilt trips, "You're going to Hell if you abort." _You're going to Hell if you don't embrace our particular brand of religion." They attempted to word their phone book ad to look like ours so girls would think they would be walking into a Woman's Clinic. The phone company put a stop to that. Pregnancy Centers work on guilt, falsehood and half truths. None of them has a medical background but they insist on giving out medical advice. I can picture Speechless as a director for one of them. Tom

    Dude, you're projecting. There's help for that, too.
  • Oct 23, 2012, 09:50 AM
    NeedKarma
    It's good that these fake clinics were exposed. Thanks Steve!
  • Oct 23, 2012, 10:06 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    It's good that these fake clinics were exposed. Thanks Steve!
    Again, the idea of love in action is lost on you. But is good to know you think playing with the lives of women is a game.
  • Oct 23, 2012, 10:56 AM
    NeedKarma
    I see your posts here, I'm sure "love" is your main concern... not! LOL.
  • Oct 23, 2012, 11:54 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    I see your posts here, I'm sure "love" is your main concern... not! LOL.
    And there go validating my last point, right on cue. Do you never learn?
  • Oct 23, 2012, 12:13 PM
    NeedKarma
    What was validated? I showed that this organization uses subterfuge to get a specific message to women... and along the way it makes them feel bad about themselves. I'm not sure why you think playing with the lives of women is something to celebrate and promote.
  • Oct 23, 2012, 12:50 PM
    talaniman
    Takes 18 years to bring a child to full maturity, and getting it there is but he beginning. What do you do for those 18 years the child is growing in the real world? That's when the love and support is needed, and where your argument falls apart, Speech, because you have not acted as a parent after forcing or fooling YOUR choice on a female.

    When the child is born, you do the same thing a dead beat dad does, you leave and go about your business. Maybe not YOU personally, but your party does, or would if not for those that know better.

    Bet those females that change heir minds up and go to a real clinic like Planned Parenthood for real doctors, and real help. If you are not going to be here for the whole process then don't force the choice.

    Obligations don't end after birth!
  • Oct 23, 2012, 01:18 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Takes 18 years to bring a child to full maturity, and getting it there is but he beginning. What do you do for those 18 years the child is growing in the real world? That's when the love and support is needed, and where your argument falls apart, Speech, because you have not acted as a parent after forcing or fooling YOUR choice on a female.

    When the child is born, you do the same thing a dead beat dad does, you leave and go about your business. Maybe not YOU personally, but your party does, or would if not for those that know better.

    Bet those females that change heir minds up and go to a real clinic like Planned Parenthood for real doctors, and real help. If you are not going to be here for the whole process then don't force the choice.

    Obligations don't end after birth!
    Stop basing your argument on assumptions, Tal. You may think women are nothing more than helpless political tools in need of a government rescue but I don't. And I do find it ironic that you're OK with telling the very organizations you chastise for allegedly not doing enough, to cease providing such support for the sake of buying a hapless Georgetown grad's contraceptives.

    That's the problem with liberals, you want it both ways. You whine and moan that we don't care while interfering with our ability to do just that. You want to replace what works with a cold, heartless government bureaucracy. People are not pawns, Tal.

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