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So we can support these guys .
Report: Saudis sent death-row inmates to fight Syria
Russia is trying to get Syria to place their cw stock under international supervision.
Russia calls on Syria to give up control of its chemical weapons
And Kerry speaks 'rhetorically ' .
Kerry speaking rhetorically over Syria turning in weapons: State Department | Reuters
Hello again, smoothy:
The problem with YOU guys, is you have NO idea what's going on over there... Here's a good example... Michelle Bachmann, STILL doesn't know who attacked us on 9/11. Speaking about the Muslim Brotherhood, here's what she said in Cairo the other day,Didja see those nut jobs Louie Ghomert and Steve King there too? They're YOUR people, aren't they?Quote:
We are here as members of Congress to say, we are with you, and we encourage you.
We stand against this great evil. We remember who caused 9/11. We remember who it was that killed 3000 brave Americans.
Bwa, ha ha ha ha.
Excon
And I suppose you actually do?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Are you aware the same news YOU watch was telling you Obama never drew a red line... when he has done it no less than 6 times previously... ON Video tape?
And you still believe what they tell you? Bwaaa hahaha...
Has Obbama ever NOT lied about something yet? I have seen ZERO proof that Assad ordered this... and in fact Assad has zero reason to do it... and every reason NOT to do it.
Most of the Lamestream media produces propaganda shows... because an Actual NEWS show would require facts and things to be true... something that is very inconvienint for the propaganda that they want to push on the suckers that believe anything they are told... "because it was on the News...it must be true".
Cripes... the things I have actually seen unfiltered have rarely been portrayed accuratly on the news... why should I believe everything I haven't would be any different?
And that my friends is "leading from behind" with "smart power."Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Kerry may yet prove to be the statesman of the hour, finding a solution to military force and escalation of conflict
What is it they say... about an infinite number monkeys banging away on and infinite number of typewriters eventually typing the collective works of Shakespeare?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Because when he first said that... the administration was saying he misspoke... and then flip-flopped to cover their collective butts.
And it turns out to be a far better IDEA than the Bloviating the POTUS has been spewing lately.
What would YOU do?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Since you ask... I'd let them kill each other and just make sure it all stays inside their own borders. It's a civil war... we have no national interests in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
What about the women and children and old people? Why not put the men in a big room and let them duke it out?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I can be a cold hearted SOB sometimes... this is one of those times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
It's their war... let them fight it.
Assad never even threatened us until after OweBama repeatedly threatened him with what are acts of war against a nation that never threatened us.
I agree. And our getting into won't resolve anything. It will be Iraq all over again.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
And we have been down that road before.Quote:
Assad never even threatened us until after OweBama repeatedly threatened him with what are acts of war against a nation that never threatened us.
Vietnam?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Not really ETC... Grenada there was a reason... Iraq... cease fire agreements... Afghanistan - harboring Al Queda...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
*humming softly to myself*Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I watch what's said here and what is my take?someone thinks it's all the fault of men, like women don't take up arms, another says leave them to it, my views exactly, if they aren't interested in protecting their families from conflict, why do we take up the burden. I know because the US whatever the colour of its president must assume the white man's burden, and this is all it is, try to civilise the natives by uncivilised actions. We "Christians", and I use the term advisedly, have been trying to civilise the natives for centuries and where has it got us, at war with the most uncivilised group on the planet, Muslims, or more correctly, because we must always be correct, radical Islam. And when these people want to fight among themselves we still want to interfere, to "guide" the outcome. There used to be a song in the days of Vietnam "
Where have all the flowers gone?
Where have the flowers gone?
Where have all the flowers gone? Long time passing
Where have all the flowers gone? Long time ago
Where have all the flowers gone? Young girls picked them, everyone
When will we ever learn? When will we ever learn?
Where have all the young girls gone? Long time passing
Where have all the young girls gone? Long time ago
Where have all the young girls gone? Taken husbands everyone
When will we ever learn? When will we ever learn?
Where have all the flowers gone?
Where have the flowers gone?
Where have all the young men gone? Long time passing
Where have all the young men gone? Long time ago
Where have all the young men gone? Become soldiers everyone
When will we ever learn? When will we ever learn?
Where have all the soldiers gone? Long time passing
Where have all the soldiers gone? Long time ago
Where have all the soldiers gone? Gone to graveyards, everyone
Oh, when will we ever learn? When will we ever learn?
Where have all the flowers gone?
Where have the flowers gone?
Tell me where have all the flowers gone?
Where have the flowers gone?
Where have all the flowers gone? Long time passing
Where have all the flowers gone? Long time ago
Where have all the flowers gone? Gone to graveyards, everyone
When will we ever learn? When will we ever learn?
Where have all the flowers gone?
Where have the flowers gone?
Tell me where have all the flowers gone?
Where have all the flowers gone?
Read more: Dolly Parton - Where Have All The Flowers Gone Lyrics | MetroLyrics
Pete Seeger finished writing that back in 1961.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
And Vietman finished in "65" or was it "75" it was so long ago and in the light of today so unimportant because it achieved nothing which is the point of the song all the soldiers lie in their graves and that is exactly how it will be if there is war over Syria.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Back in those days america was in the grip of puff the magic dragon and what has changed, men dreaming drug induced dreams of glory
Maybe '65 for the French... but it was '74 I think it was for us... might have been 75.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I was in the 9th grade and remember the videos on the news as we pulled out of Saigon.
Proof measured responses are the WRONG way to fight a war. You need to fight it to win it or don't bother at all.
I had two Uncles and a Cousin in it (two of them special forces)... and some close friends... excon was actually there.
No it was the fifties for the French, I remember the loss well I missed the Vietnam war, too old for the draft but I knew people who went, screwed them up good. The point of Vietnam is you can't win against a determined population without taking extraordinary measures. Fighting wars on someoneelse's ground is never the way to go. Sometimes it has to be done but not every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
We have to get out of our heads, get out of the theory and the rhetoric, out of the manipulations and realise that people must be left to their own determination. Syria is not a party to the treaty on chemical weapons therefore unless they are used outside Syria no matter how awful the prospect we stay out of it and not impose our ideas on them. We merrily went about imposing our ideas on Iraq and where did it get us, not very far and certainly not where we wanted to be
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