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  • Jun 16, 2013, 08:08 PM
    paraclete
    Those that can move those who can't?
  • Jun 17, 2013, 03:22 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Where did you think those folks would go?
    ummm ;to the places that encourage job creation ?
  • Jun 17, 2013, 03:26 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    those that can move those who can't?

    there is no chains keeping people in one location. Mobility has indeed been a halmark of our nation. That is the problem with a large central top down planned economy . When Washington makes decisions, there is no place to move .
  • Jun 17, 2013, 04:05 AM
    paraclete
    It isn't the fault of government they don't determine where industry sets up or when they move. I know it to be an american capitalist strategy to shutdown plants and move after a few years to keep unions under control and minimise labour costs. A totally cynical attitude towards workers. People who don't have much aren't mobile it costs a lot to move hundreds of miles away, I know, I have done it, but I was fortunate, some aren't.

    You speak ast though you have a planned economy over there, you don't. What you have is a boondoggle
  • Jun 17, 2013, 04:45 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    It isn't the fault of government they don't determine where industry sets up or when they move. I know it to be an american capitalist strategy to shutdown plants and move after a few years to keep unions under control and minimise labour costs. A totally cynical attitude towards workers. People who don't have much arn't mobile it costs a lot to move hundreds of miles away, I know, I have done it, but I was fortunate, some arn't.

    you speak ast though you have a planned economy over there, you don't. what you have is a boondoggle

    No I don't... I have rejected a planned economy on many occasions here. Mobility and creative destruction are key components of a free economy and nation. Let industry compete ;let workers compete ;let states compete .
  • Jun 17, 2013, 06:06 AM
    paraclete
    I have only one answer to your contention Bullshlt, Bullshlt, Bullshlt!!
  • Jun 17, 2013, 06:11 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    no I don't ... I have rejected a planned economy on many occasions here. Mobility and creative destruction are key components of a free economy and nation. Let industry compete ;let workers compete ;let states compete .

    Sounds good but reality is not agreeing with you because that's NOT the practice of business at all. The big eats the small for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
  • Jun 17, 2013, 07:19 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Sounds good but reality is not agreeing with you because that's NOT the practice of business at all. The big eats the small for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

    Numbers are hard aren't they?


    “Small Businesses Are the Backbone of Our Economy and the Cornerstones of Our Communities”
  • Jun 17, 2013, 08:43 AM
    talaniman
    Your numbers are incomplete, as there is no data to compare them to like age, family size, or wages and industry. Big difference between a consulting firm or law office and a family fruit stand. Which do you think has more leverage or capital or borrowing power to get started?

    Define your terms of small business. You can sell dresses over the net, but don't try that with fresh fruit from the kitchen table. Logistics alone is a helluva obstacle. It take money for those kinds of supports. Indeed don't many small businesses grow with investments from the rich class? Or does the mom and pop grocery store have to sell gas too to survive competition from Kroger?

    You leave a lot out of your numbers.
  • Jun 17, 2013, 08:54 AM
    excon
    Hello again,

    Talk about mobilization, China has lots and LOTS of empty cities. Now, they're moving 250 MILLION peasants into them.

    I wonder how that's going to work out.

    excon
  • Jun 17, 2013, 08:55 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Numbers are hard aren't they?


    “Small Businesses Are the Backbone of Our Economy and the Cornerstones of Our Communities”
    Because the government protects small businesses from unfair business practices; anti-trust laws for example.
  • Jun 17, 2013, 08:56 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Your numbers are incomplete, as their is no data to compare them to like age, family size, or wages and industry. Big difference between a consulting firm or law office and a family fruit stand. Which do you think has more leverage or capital or borrowing power to get started?

    Define your terms of small business. You can sell dresses over the net, but don't try that with fresh fruit from the kitchen table. Logistics alone is a helluva obstacle. It take money for those kinds of supports. Indeed don't many small businesses grow with investments from the rich class? Or does the mom and pop grocery store have to sell gas too to survive competition from Kroger?

    You leave a lot out of your numbers.

    Dude, it was as comprehensive as your claim, "The big eats the small for breakfast, lunch, and dinner." The numbers say there is plenty still going on in small business, but certainly the Democrat regime has worked overtime to hamstring small business while expanding their own corporate cronyism.
  • Jun 17, 2013, 10:48 AM
    talaniman
    Ideology has little to do with the broken business model.
  • Jun 18, 2013, 03:02 PM
    speechlesstx
    It's come to this, Democrats urging strikes on middle eastern country run by a dictator over suspected WMD's...

    Quote:

    Twenty years ago, in a debate over the war in Bosnia, Madeleine Albright, then the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, issued a challenge to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Colin Powell. Albright wanted the U.S. to confront an aggressive Serbia; Powell and the Pentagon were hesitant. Albright grew frustrated: “What’s the point of having this superb military that you’re always talking about if we can’t use it?” Albright asked. Powell later said that he thought Albright was going to give him an aneurysm.

    Flash-forward to this past Wednesday. At a principals meeting in the White House situation room, Secretary of State John Kerry began arguing, vociferously, for immediate U.S. airstrikes against airfields under the control of Bashar al-Assad’s Syrian regime -- specifically, those fields it has used to launch chemical weapons raids against rebel forces.
    ... while Republicans are urging caution against a reckless intervention

    My how times change.
  • Jun 18, 2013, 03:11 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    “What’s the point of having this superb military that you’re always talking about if we can’t use it?” Albright asked.
    Uh, the military is for defense maybe?

    Anyway it's only Kerry, not the Democrats:
    Quote:

    Pentagon Shoots Down Kerry’s Syria Airstrike Plan.

    As we know now, the Pentagon’s position is in sync with President Barack Obama’s

  • Jun 18, 2013, 04:15 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Uh, the military is for defense maybe?

    Anyway it's only Kerry, not the Democrats:

    Still challenged by irony and the many facets of the English language I see.
  • Jun 18, 2013, 04:22 PM
    NeedKarma
    Nah, caught you misrepresenting stuff again.
  • Jun 18, 2013, 04:23 PM
    tomder55
    I take the Palin position.
    Sarah Palin Syria Comment On Syria 'Let Allah Sort It Out' - YouTube
  • Jun 18, 2013, 04:35 PM
    NeedKarma
    I agree tom!
  • Jun 18, 2013, 05:04 PM
    tomder55
    Too bad the emperor don't listen to Palin instead of Clintoon... who called the emperor a wuss.
    Bill Clinton cautions Obama: Beware looking like a 'total wuss' and 'total fool'

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