believe me we the muslims also feel sad for 9/11.we are against who is responsible for this act.they will pay for theis sin inshAllah
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Certainly not the Constitution of the United States.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
What a fantastic country we are that we can rise above pettiness and stay true to our Constitution!
As a home owner I have the right to have a say in what goes into my neighborhood. EVEN IF Zoneing etc would otherwise allow the business. Doesn't matter WHAT it is... if it is disruptive to the morals of the commumnity they have a right to block it. Even IF the legal right exists for it to exist technically. Porn store, Mosque, Church or Doctors Office... doesn't matter.
Why is this as-yet-unbuilt building called a mosque? It won't look like a mosque with turrets and domes; it will look like most of the buildings in NYC. It will be open to the community as a meeting place, as a gym, as an activity center. In fact, it will be a healthy replacement for a derelict, unoccupied building in an area of such buildings, therefore a rejuvenation of the neighborhood.
And hopefully they will. I know not all Muslims (and maybe not even most) were Cheering that day... but there were far too many that were, and did so on Television. The criticism of them (the people celibrating in the streets) by their Fellow muslims was very sadly absent for a very long time.
How would Muslims feel if we built a Church in Medina, or Mecca... and why? 9/11 was committed by Islamic Extremists, and there are a lot of those in the world. A Mosque built THERE would automatically be a memorial to those terrorists as much as many Muslims would wish it wasn't.
It's a Symbol and it would be a symbol right next to a location of a terrorist act. Those can not be changed. New York City has many Mosques... Mecca and Medina have how many? How about any number of cities in Muslim nations for example.
Its not about the Only Mosque in New York City being blocked from being built. Its just this one and just at this location. There are many others that have no issues.
And the fact that the Imam wanting to do this making Anti-American claims that we in any way shared blame for 9/11 does not help things at all.
Hitlers Grave is unmarked so NeoNazis could not use it as a symbol of their movement.
The Islamic Extremeists would use that Mosque if its ever built as a rallying point and a point of pride for their actions.
Some things are just simply a bad idea.
Also notice... I do differentiate between Muslims and Islamic Extreemists. Even though Both are the same faith.
A church doesn''t have to be a classic Cathedral... and a Mosque doesn't have to have all those items either.
They are simply places of worship... some more garish than others. And in the right place a symbol of Memorial to Terrorits that accomplished their task such as this one.
A Mosque at ground Zero erected by Muslims WILL be a memorial to the Muslims (technically Islamic Extremeists) that Killed thousands on 9/11.
That is a swipe at all Americans... and a tribute towards the 9/11 terrorists. Sorry but that says nothing good about anyone that suggests it be allowed.
What next... Do you support a Memorial to Timothy McViegh across the street from the building he blew up in Oklahoma?
How about NeoNazis building a tribute to Adolph Hitler next to the Holocaust Museum in DC? That would be different exactly how?
Like they say in Realestate... its not WHAT you build... its all about WHERE you build it.
Really you can prove this how... you can guarantee what radical Islamiists do across the world how.
It WILL be a memorial to the 9/11 terrorists, and there is absolutely NOTHING you can do or say that will change that.
THere is a doctorine is Islam that calls for them to build Mosques at the sites of conquest or victory. That is exactly what this is.
That's in YOUR mind.
So you are saying I am a bad person for saying it should be allowed.Quote:
That is a swipe at all Americans... and a tribute towards the 9/11 terrorists. Sorry but that says nothing good about anyone that suggests it be allowed.
Are these proposed? By whom?Quote:
What next... Do you support a Memorial to Timothy McViegh across the street from the building he blew up in Oklahoma?
How about NeoNazis building a tribute to Adolph Hitler next to the Holocaust Museum in DC?
What about the Japanese Cultural Center in Hawaii? No one is objecting to that.Quote:
That would be different exactly how?
So... a Christian church in the South is now a memorial to the KKK members who committed atrocities against blacks?
Or a Christian church at Auschwitz is a memorial to Nazis, not those that suffered under the Nazi Christian regime?
Blaming ALL Muslims for the events of 9/11 is like blaming ALL Christians for the atrocities of the Holocaust, the KKK, the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades and the witch burnings.
Please--get real.
I'd love to see the entire perimeter of Ground Zero surrounded with religious buildings, to every religion you could think of--INCLUDING Islam.
Freedom of Religion is the freedom of ALL religions, not just those you agree with.
Answers to the above comments..
#1 It clear to most people but you.
#2 If the shoe fits... but those were your words, not mine.
#3 Those are examples that you should be supporting should someone propose them.
#4 SO there is a memorial to the Japanese soldiers killed at Pearl harbor is located exactly WHERE in Pearl Harbor?
Incidentally... I can gather that you were nowhere near any of the terrorist targets that day much less inside one when it happened or shortly before.
You see... I was.
Ex, Many of the founders also had some strong feelings against certain religious groups in England. Would they have permitted the Church of England to take a strong presenece and establish power in the colonies or the newly formed government. You think they were talking about allowing new religious freedoms. I am a Christian but I think the fathers were also talking about safeguarding against religions having power over the citizens as had occurred in England, and religion causing destruction of democracy. I believe the muslims have a goal of destruction of democracy and have very openly stated it. The fathers went to war to prevent that essentially. They used "Common Sense". We use "Non-Sense"! Tolerance might be mistaken for cowardice in some instances. Here are the synonyms of tolerance:
Tolerance Synonyms, Tolerance Antonyms | Thesaurus.com
Were we afforded any tolerance on 9/11?
I am not the only one.
I'm German-American. Are you going to blame me for WWII?Quote:
#2 If the shoe fits... but those were your words, not mine.
And that has what to do with this discussion? You have absolutely NO idea of my connections with any of the targets, so you have no right to disrespect me with that comment.Quote:
Incidentally... I can gather that you were nowhere near any of the terrorist targets that day much less inside one when it happened or shortly before.
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