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Originally Posted by smoothy

The Muslims WILL call it the Mohammed ATTAH memorial Mosque....and it WILL be a pillgramage point for all radical Muslims if its #1 allowed to be built, and #2 nobody burns it down if it is.

And it IS and would be a in your FACE America swipe since so many in the Muslim world...INCLUDING the Palestinians that celebrated in the streets on 9/11. Many of us have not forgotten videos of those celebrations across the Muslim world that day.

What part of that the people who think it should be allowed do they not grasp?

believe me we the muslims also feel sad for 9/11.we are against who is responsible for this act.they will pay for theis sin inshAllah

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Originally Posted by smoothy

What part of that the people who think it should be allowed do they not grasp?

Certainly not the Constitution of the United States.

What a fantastic country we are that we can rise above pettiness and stay true to our Constitution!

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Originally Posted by Mehreen_mehr

believe me we the muslims also feel sad for 9/11.we are against who is responsible for this act.they will pay for theis sin inshAllah

Salaam Alaykum, Mehreen. It is nice to hear from a Muslim in this thread.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

Assuming they met local zoning and building codes, I could certainly object, as you have here. Nobody suggested you didn't have a voice. But a voice is all it is. An opinion. You're welcome to it. But, as you said, it's LEGAL. Government ISN'T going to DO a thing about it. Nor should they?

Aren't you for a free market? If I didn't like the peep show next door, I could move. I don't want the government to solve all my problems... You don't, do you, as a small government tea partier, want the government to intrude on gay bars and dirty book stores???

excon

As a home owner I have the right to have a say in what goes into my neighborhood. EVEN IF Zoneing etc would otherwise allow the business. Doesn't matter WHAT it is... if it is disruptive to the morals of the commumnity they have a right to block it. Even IF the legal right exists for it to exist technically. Porn store, Mosque, Church or Doctors Office... doesn't matter.

Why is this as-yet-unbuilt building called a mosque? It won't look like a mosque with turrets and domes; it will look like most of the buildings in NYC. It will be open to the community as a meeting place, as a gym, as an activity center. In fact, it will be a healthy replacement for a derelict, unoccupied building in an area of such buildings, therefore a rejuvenation of the neighborhood.

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Originally Posted by Mehreen_mehr

believe me we the muslims also feel sad for 9/11.we are against who is responsible for this act.they will pay for theis sin inshAllah

And hopefully they will. I know not all Muslims (and maybe not even most) were Cheering that day... but there were far too many that were, and did so on Television. The criticism of them (the people celibrating in the streets) by their Fellow muslims was very sadly absent for a very long time.

How would Muslims feel if we built a Church in Medina, or Mecca... and why? 9/11 was committed by Islamic Extremists, and there are a lot of those in the world. A Mosque built THERE would automatically be a memorial to those terrorists as much as many Muslims would wish it wasn't.

It's a Symbol and it would be a symbol right next to a location of a terrorist act. Those can not be changed. New York City has many Mosques... Mecca and Medina have how many? How about any number of cities in Muslim nations for example.

Its not about the Only Mosque in New York City being blocked from being built. Its just this one and just at this location. There are many others that have no issues.

And the fact that the Imam wanting to do this making Anti-American claims that we in any way shared blame for 9/11 does not help things at all.

Hitlers Grave is unmarked so NeoNazis could not use it as a symbol of their movement.

The Islamic Extremeists would use that Mosque if its ever built as a rallying point and a point of pride for their actions.

Some things are just simply a bad idea.

Also notice... I do differentiate between Muslims and Islamic Extreemists. Even though Both are the same faith.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

The Islamic Extremeists would use that Mosque is its ever built as a rallying point and a point of pride for their actions.

They will? Mosque? It will be a tall building like many of the buildings in NYC.

The very fact that we are a free nation and allow such a thing says reams about us as a people.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Why is this as-yet-unbuilt building called a mosque? It won't look like a mosque with turrets and domes; it will look like most of the buildings in NYC. It will be open to the community as a meeting place, as a gym, as an activity center. In fact, it will be a healthy replacement for a derelict, unoccupied building in an area of such buildings, therefore a rejuvenation of the neighborhood.

A church doesn''t have to be a classic Cathedral... and a Mosque doesn't have to have all those items either.

They are simply places of worship... some more garish than others. And in the right place a symbol of Memorial to Terrorits that accomplished their task such as this one.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

A church doesn''t have to be a classic Cathedral....and a Mosque doesn't have to have all those items either.

They are simply places of worship....some more garish than others. And in the right place a symbol of Memorial to Terrorits that accomplished their task such as this one.

Its primary purpose is not as a mosque. If it is, then you believe the mosque in the Pentagon should be relocated?

It is not a memorial to terrorists.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

They will? Mosque? It will be a tall building like many of the buildings in NYC.

The very fact that we are a free nation and allow such a thing says reams about us as a people.

A Mosque at ground Zero erected by Muslims WILL be a memorial to the Muslims (technically Islamic Extremeists) that Killed thousands on 9/11.

That is a swipe at all Americans... and a tribute towards the 9/11 terrorists. Sorry but that says nothing good about anyone that suggests it be allowed.

What next... Do you support a Memorial to Timothy McViegh across the street from the building he blew up in Oklahoma?

How about NeoNazis building a tribute to Adolph Hitler next to the Holocaust Museum in DC? That would be different exactly how?

Like they say in Realestate... its not WHAT you build... its all about WHERE you build it.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Its primary purpose is not as a mosque. If it is, then you believe the mosque in the Pentagon should be relocated?

It is not a memorial to terrorists.

Really you can prove this how... you can guarantee what radical Islamiists do across the world how.

It WILL be a memorial to the 9/11 terrorists, and there is absolutely NOTHING you can do or say that will change that.

THere is a doctorine is Islam that calls for them to build Mosques at the sites of conquest or victory. That is exactly what this is.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

A Mosque at ground Zero erected by Muslims WILL be a memorial to the Muslims (technically Islamic Extremeists) that Killed thousands on 9/11.

That's in YOUR mind.

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That is a swipe at all Americans... and a tribute towards the 9/11 terrorists. Sorry but that says nothing good about anyone that suggests it be allowed.

So you are saying I am a bad person for saying it should be allowed.

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What next... Do you support a Memorial to Timothy McViegh across the street from the building he blew up in Oklahoma?
How about NeoNazis building a tribute to Adolph Hitler next to the Holocaust Museum in DC?

Are these proposed? By whom?

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That would be different exactly how?

What about the Japanese Cultural Center in Hawaii? No one is objecting to that.

So... a Christian church in the South is now a memorial to the KKK members who committed atrocities against blacks?

Or a Christian church at Auschwitz is a memorial to Nazis, not those that suffered under the Nazi Christian regime?

Blaming ALL Muslims for the events of 9/11 is like blaming ALL Christians for the atrocities of the Holocaust, the KKK, the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades and the witch burnings.

Please--get real.

I'd love to see the entire perimeter of Ground Zero surrounded with religious buildings, to every religion you could think of--INCLUDING Islam.

Freedom of Religion is the freedom of ALL religions, not just those you agree with.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Its primary purpose is not as a mosque. If it is, then you believe the mosque in the Pentagon should be relocated?

It is not a memorial to terrorists.

THis is a Mosque. THe Imam want to build it says it's a Mosque... the people fighting for it calls it a mosque... the people fighting against it call it a Mosque. You alone are arguing a Islamic Place of worship ISN'T called a Mosque.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

That's in YOUR mind.

So you are saying I am a bad person for saying it should be allowed.

Are these proposed? By whom?

What about the Japanese Cultural Center in Hawaii? No one is objecting to that.

Answers to the above comments..

#1 It clear to most people but you.

#2 If the shoe fits... but those were your words, not mine.

#3 Those are examples that you should be supporting should someone propose them.

#4 SO there is a memorial to the Japanese soldiers killed at Pearl harbor is located exactly WHERE in Pearl Harbor?

Incidentally... I can gather that you were nowhere near any of the terrorist targets that day much less inside one when it happened or shortly before.

You see... I was.

Ex, Many of the founders also had some strong feelings against certain religious groups in England. Would they have permitted the Church of England to take a strong presenece and establish power in the colonies or the newly formed government. You think they were talking about allowing new religious freedoms. I am a Christian but I think the fathers were also talking about safeguarding against religions having power over the citizens as had occurred in England, and religion causing destruction of democracy. I believe the muslims have a goal of destruction of democracy and have very openly stated it. The fathers went to war to prevent that essentially. They used "Common Sense". We use "Non-Sense"! Tolerance might be mistaken for cowardice in some instances. Here are the synonyms of tolerance:
Tolerance Synonyms, Tolerance Antonyms | Thesaurus.com
Were we afforded any tolerance on 9/11?

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Originally Posted by smoothy

A Mosque at ground Zero erected by Muslims

Wait a minute. Now you have the "mosque" AT Ground Zero? When did it get moved?

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Originally Posted by smoothy

#1 It clear to most people but you.

I am not the only one.

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#2 If the shoe fits... but those were your words, not mine.

I'm German-American. Are you going to blame me for WWII?

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Incidentally... I can gather that you were nowhere near any of the terrorist targets that day much less inside one when it happened or shortly before.

And that has what to do with this discussion? You have absolutely NO idea of my connections with any of the targets, so you have no right to disrespect me with that comment.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Wait a minute. Now you have the "mosque" AT Ground Zero? When did it get moved?

Bill Clinton is out of office. Nearby is close enough.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Bill Clinton is out of office. Nearby is close enough.

So better to put it three blocks away? In New Jersey? In Canada?