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  • May 9, 2021, 10:40 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    "If you don't think the gov should force people to take the vaccination, then what is there to discuss? We agree on that."

    Please list your reasons why the government "should not" force people to take the vaccination(s).
  • May 9, 2021, 11:37 AM
    jlisenbe
    Why? Are you in favor of it?
  • May 9, 2021, 01:40 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Why? Are you in favor of it?

    Wait! I asked YOU a question. And I get no answer plus two questions in return.
  • May 9, 2021, 02:19 PM
    jlisenbe
    Correct. It’s called the Wondergirl approach.
  • May 9, 2021, 02:30 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Correct. It’s called the Wondergirl approach.

    What question of yours haven't I answered? (P.S. I don't cherry-pick Bible verses to prove my point.)
  • May 9, 2021, 02:37 PM
    jlisenbe
    You do it all the time. The most recent would be the two questions you just passed on.

    And you still haven’t learned that posting a boatload of scriptures is not, to a thinking person, cherry picking.
  • May 9, 2021, 03:13 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You do it all the time. The most recent would be the two questions you just passed on.

    I asked you first (to simplify the unanswered question Athos had asked you) to make a list. You walked across that before giving it a swift kick down the alley and asked me TWO questions.
    Quote:

    And you still haven’t learned that posting a boatload of scriptures is not, to a thinking person, cherry picking.
    I am not going to play "Proof Passages -- Mine Are Better!" and "Bible Bingo" with you.
  • May 9, 2021, 04:07 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    I asked you first (to simplify the unanswered question Athos had asked you) to make a list. You walked across that before giving it a swift kick down the alley and asked me TWO questions.
    You didn't answer. I didn't answer. So?

    Quote:

    I am not going to play "Proof Passages -- Mine Are Better!" and "Bible Bingo" with you.
    And there's the difference. It's serious with me. It's more of a game with you, so you just laugh it off and move on. That's why you can't reply.
  • May 9, 2021, 05:23 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You didn't answer. I didn't answer. So?

    Athos asked first. You refused to answer. I rephrased his question and simplified it. You refused to respond. BECAUSE. You knew you couldn't give an honest answer without getting beat up.
    Quote:

    And there's the difference. It's serious with me. It's more of a game with you, so you just laugh it off and move on. That's why you can't reply.
    The game is one you invented. No matter what fantastically perfect verses I throw out, you will post piecemeal, out-of-context "proofs" that my verses weren't good enough. That is not how one reads the Bible and discusses it.
  • May 9, 2021, 05:31 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    You knew you couldn't give an honest answer without getting beat up.
    So why didn't you answer? Honor??? (sarcasm meter pegged for the sarcasm limited among us)

    Quote:

    The game is one you invented. No matter what fantastically perfect verses I throw out, you will post piecemeal, out-of-context "proofs" that my verses weren't good enough. That is not how one reads the Bible and discusses it.
    You don't provide verses other than the two most recent ones, neither of which specifically supported your contention and were about as far away from "fantastically perfect" as one can imagine.

    You call it games like "Bible bingo". I don't see it that way. It's serious, as I said, to me.
  • May 9, 2021, 05:37 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    So why didn't you answer?

    Nooooooo! It was YOUR turn to answer!
    Quote:

    You call it games like "Bible bingo". I don't see it that way. It's serious, as I said, to me.
    Serious to you??? What? The competition part??? You aren't open-minded and willing to learn. You want to WIN! and beat down your opponent.
  • May 9, 2021, 05:48 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Nooooooo! It was YOUR turn to answer!
    Not in my view.

    Quote:

    Serious to you??? What? The competition part??? You aren't open-minded and willing to learn. You want to WIN! and beat down your opponent.
    I am interested in the truth. You follow such wild tales as Jesus having a homosexual lover and Paul being a homosexual because it better suits your political and social views.
  • May 9, 2021, 06:09 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I am interested in the truth.

    Nope. You've shown us many times you aren't -- are interested only in YOUR truth.
  • May 9, 2021, 06:17 PM
    paraclete
    What is truth, it is in the eye of the beholder, Pilate saw the truth and still condemned Jesus
  • May 9, 2021, 06:25 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    What is truth, it is in the eye of the beholder,

    You're confusing truth with beauty.
  • May 9, 2021, 06:31 PM
    jlisenbe
    I am not interested in a perverted truth about homosexual lovers. Jesus said He WAS the truth so I go with His words.
  • May 9, 2021, 07:33 PM
    waltero
    Quote:

    What is truth, it is in the eye of the beholder, Pilate saw the truth and still condemned Jesus
    True. I think he was afeared of the Truth...washing his hands?

    Quote:

    Nope. You've shown us many times you aren't -- are interested only in YOUR truth.
    Honestly WG? It appears as if you declared War. Either you've had Homosexual experience and think you'll be alright, not confessing, or you're mad at God for taking your loved ones away, or both?. It's OK to be upset with God. You continually contradict yourself. I think JL is genuinely interested in the truth. You have your truth and that's just it- YOUR TRUTH!
    It appears as if you take everything that you read concerning the Bible at face Value?
  • May 9, 2021, 07:54 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by waltero View Post
    Honestly WG? It appears as if you declared War. Either you've had Homosexual experience and think you'll be alright, not confessing, or your mad at God for taking your loved ones away, or both?. It's OK to be upset with God.

    Wow! You might just have the chops to become a bestselling fiction writer!
  • May 9, 2021, 07:57 PM
    jlisenbe
    Evasive answer.
  • May 9, 2021, 07:58 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    You're confusing truth with beauty.

    No beauty is only skin deep and fades with age, truth is eternal, but often ignored
  • May 9, 2021, 07:59 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Evasive answer.

    Huh? About what?
  • May 9, 2021, 08:03 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    No beauty is only skin deep and fades with age, truth is eternal, but often ignored

    Then why did you say truth is only subjective, not eternal? Your actual words were "truth is in the eye of the beholder". The phrase you misquoted is about beauty, not truth. Don't bother replying. You shouldn't embarrass yourself any further.
  • May 9, 2021, 08:11 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by waltero View Post
    Honestly WG? It appears as if you declared War. Either you've had Homosexual experience and think you'll be alright, not confessing, or you're mad at God for taking your loved ones away, or both?. It's OK to be upset with God. You continually contradict yourself. I think JL is genuinely interested in the truth. You have your truth and that's just it- YOUR TRUTH!
    It appears as if you take everything that you read concerning the Bible at face Value?

    Well, walter, you show up and start with the nastiness immediately. Is this how Christians are to behave? This website is doing you no good. Best depart or start over with a nod to your self-proclaimed faith.
  • May 9, 2021, 08:17 PM
    waltero
    Quote:

    Wow! You might just have the chops to become a bestselling fiction writer!
    I'm up for it if you are? I'll start right away, just need to record 'Your Truth'...Fiction at it's finest.
    I was thinking of posting all the times you've contradicted yourself. You are in extreme danger! Stop with this Holy-homosexual dribble.

    Quote:

    you show up and start with the nastiness immediately.
    Come on, You guys are always brutal (with each other)! What's nasty about it, Homosexual activity? I'm telling it how I see it. I have a hard time understanding where WG is coming from half the time. I say something and her immediate response in always- Nope!, Nooo! and then I say the same "exact thing" later on and she says thank you for post, I enjoyed it??? She is clearly closed minded! [And] For her to say JL is closed minded, pffft!
  • May 9, 2021, 08:21 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    Then why did you say truth is only subjective, not eternal? Your actual words were "truth is in the eye of the beholder". The phrase you misquoted is about beauty, not truth. Don't bother replying. You shouldn't embarrass yourself any further.

    Athos, have you been told today? consider yourself told
  • May 9, 2021, 08:37 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Athos, have you been told today? consider yourself told

    Another non-reply from you. You ARE consistent.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by waltero View Post
    Come on, You guys are always brutal (with each other)!

    You see that as permission to be the same? Following the herd is not usually the Christian thing to do. Courage, young Walter.
  • May 9, 2021, 08:39 PM
    waltero
    What's nasty about it, Homosexual activity? Enlighten me please, what do you consider Nasty? Forget it!
    Point being, I see it as WG, having a closed mind, when she herself declares JL as having a closed mind.
    Her first response is always the same- NO! NOOO! NO, try again etc.! Doesn't even read the Topic, or post, it's simply NOOOOOO!
    Quote:

    Is this how Christians are to behave?
    You tell me.
  • May 9, 2021, 08:53 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by waltero View Post
    Point being,

    POINT referred to this from you ------

    Quote:

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by waltero https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images...post-right.png

    The SSA estimates that it made about $7.9 billion worth of improper payments in total during the 2019 fiscal year.

    Quote:

    Your point?


    Quote:

    You tell me. {RE CHRISTIAN BEHAVIOR}
    Be glad to.

    Replying to WG should be in line with your previous rather lengthy sermons-in-words here. I have no objection to those but I think you should practice what you preach.
  • May 9, 2021, 09:15 PM
    waltero
    Her statements are tantamount to sacrilege. I don't think she understands what she's saying. It is not going to end well if she continues with such talk. It would be harmful to practice what she preaches!
  • May 9, 2021, 10:03 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    Another non-reply from you. You ARE consistent.

    You have me confused, my reply was specific, but a little too subtle for you
  • May 9, 2021, 11:40 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    You have me confused, my reply was specific, but a little too subtle for you

    Your reply was anything but specific. It was "consider yourself told". That was not subtle - it was meaningless. If it's an Australian idiom, enlighten us.
  • May 9, 2021, 11:50 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by waltero View Post
    Her statements are tantamount to sacrilege.

    Now you're sounding like a Pharisee.

    Quote:

    It is not going to end well if she continues with such talk.
    What does that mean? Who are you to judge?

    Quote:

    It would be harmful to practice what she preaches!
    That was meant for you, not her.
  • May 10, 2021, 06:07 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Huh? About what?
    You were asked some serious questions, and you responded with silliness about becoming a writer of fiction. That's what you claim to dislike, and yet you do it constantly.
  • May 10, 2021, 06:11 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    Your reply was anything but specific. It was "consider yourself told". That was not subtle - it was meaningless. If it's an Australian idiom, enlighten us.

    It is a polite way of saying, "expletive deleted" off
  • May 10, 2021, 07:10 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    It is a polite way of saying, "expletive deleted" off

    That's not very subtle, is it?

    In any case, that's not much of a reply to the charge that you confused truth and beauty. I trust your fellow Aussies are a bit more straightforward and don't hide behind "expletives deleted".
  • May 10, 2021, 07:16 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    That's not very subtle, is it?

    In any case, that's not much of a reply to the charge that you confused truth and beauty. I trust your fellow Aussies are a bit more straightforward and don't hide behind "expletives deleted".

    I, and my fellow aussies just get a little sick of hearing some arguments and feel that sometimes some need to be reminded
  • May 10, 2021, 07:44 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    In any case, that's not much of a reply to the charge that you confused truth and beauty.
    To be truthful, Athos was correct in his observation.
  • May 10, 2021, 07:56 AM
    paraclete
    Both you and Athos are confused, I said beauty was not eternal and that truth is but I know you love to argue, tell me which way is the wind blowing?
  • May 10, 2021, 08:49 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    What is truth, it is in the eye of the beholder,
    That is not at all what you said; it's not even close. I posted it above just so you can be reminded. That is what Athos responded to where you claimed truth was, "in the eye of the beholder". I can't imagine you meant it, so if anyone was confused, it was you.
  • May 10, 2021, 08:54 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You were asked some serious questions, and you responded with silliness about becoming a writer of fiction. That's what you claim to dislike, and yet you do it constantly.

    Another instance of your poor comprehension. I said this to waltero: "Wow! You might just have the chops to become a bestselling fiction writer!"

    Waltero's "questions" were silly, even ridiculous, and not worth answering.

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