How would you explain that the share of the population ages 16 to 64 claiming disability benefits from Social Security rose from 0.45 percent in 1960 to 4.42 percent in 2013 even as work got less strenuous and disabling ?
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How would you explain that the share of the population ages 16 to 64 claiming disability benefits from Social Security rose from 0.45 percent in 1960 to 4.42 percent in 2013 even as work got less strenuous and disabling ?
Tal, you might want to try that data stuff yourself. Your claim of 50% poverty rate is ludicrous. Actual figure is closer to 12%.Quote:
Of course you have data to back that up? I trust you Tom but it's that verify thing from King Reagan that has always stuck with me. I mean JL is giddy over the unemployment numbers and you say young people are too lazy to work, and half the country is below the poverty line
As to the unemployment figures, if Obama had ever gotten to 3.7%, you libs would have worshiped him even more than you did.
This might shed some light on it Tom,Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
https://www.disability-benefits-help...ty-claims-rise
Screwed up didn't I? My bad, but the unemployment rate was going down under Obama though you give the dufus all the credit, and of course he takes it. I am sure that data trend is correct. Obama left the dufus a very strong economy considering where he started from, and I am sure you agree but worship is really the wrong word. Respect, admire, may be more accurate. If the dufus wasn't such a gloomy racist that lies all the time he might get some play from me.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Just cannot hold my nose and tolerate his behavior.
See what I mean? You like to talk about low unemployment as long as you think you can give Mr. Obama all the credit. Truth is, Obama is the only two term pres ever who did not have a single quarter of at least 3% GDP growth. Economic genius for sure. And before anyone wants to start talking about the terrible economy that he inherited, go back and look at what Reagan inherited. It was worse, but he started a great economic revival.Quote:
My bad, but the unemployment rate was going down under Obama though you give the dufus all the credit, and of course he takes it.
I really hate the casual way that libs throw around accusations of racism. Don't need any evidence, but just want to make the accusation. It's sickening. And, of course, you voted for someone who had quite a problem in being caught in lies, but I guess it's OK as long as that person is a democrat. Like I have said a hundred times now, it's all about politics. If you like abortion, open borders, give-away programs, and unrestricted marriage arrangements, then you vote democrat.Quote:
If the dufus wasn't such a gloomy racist that lies all the time he might get some play from me.
I don't give Obama all the credit, but he does deserve a huge chunk for his efforts, along with the congress who worked with him as well as the ACA. Now you can ignore, compare, or whatever but you cannot deny him his due. I have also written here before about the flexibility that Reagan showed back in those days dealing with his own recessionary challenges, along with his congress at the time. Just a matter of credit due.
No I do not use the racist label casually, nor the lying, cheater label, but his own words usually nail him.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...-violence.html
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A president wouldn’t encourage criminal violence against innocent people. If he did, his party wouldn’t stand for it. Actually, it would. Trump has been testing the GOP’s tolerance for demagoguery that explicitly promotes brutality. And so far, Republicans seem willing to go along.
https://thegrio.com/2018/10/24/trump...bia-dangerous/
This isn't the first time either that he has exhibited racist behavior, words, or sympathies either, and not the first time I have called him a racist. He seems to have a history of it. He sickens ME!Quote:
As with most things, Trump has the facts and origins of the word “nationalist” completely wrong. The word isn’t “old fashioned” as he declared but instead steeped in racism and xenophobia which is why people don’t casually use it as a means of self-identification. Where the public often gets confused is with the difference between nationalism and patriotism.
Sooner or later you will realize I have moved well beyond Clintons defeat.
The issues are more nuanced and complex than you seem to present or understand, so I will just offer this as rebuttal, if you can hold your nose and vote for a lying, cheating, racist dufus then you have little room to belittle dems whose positions you sorely misrepresent. I could easily say if you like lying cheating racists you vote repoob!Quote:
If you like abortion, open borders, give-away programs, and unrestricted marriage arrangements, then you vote democrat.
But I won't.
Eligibility criteria and the society is more prone to drug addiction which brings disabling illness such as depression, also there are more poor people today. Disability has nothing to do with the nature of work other than performing certain tasks may not be possible. Computerisation may have done away with many jobs disabled might do as it will continue to do away with many repetitive tasksQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Well of course I can! You routinely do it with Trump, so why not with Obama?Quote:
Now you can ignore, compare, or whatever but you cannot deny him his due
So putting America first is now equated with racism? Well, I have to admit that I'm relieved. If that ridiculous theory is the best you've got, then Trump is emphatically NOT a racist. But I'll have to admit that Mr. Obama was no nationalist. He could never have been accused of putting America first in anything. Sometimes I think that I'd love to see a national law that if a person accuses someone of racism with no more evidence than the flimsy silliness in the article you linked, they should be locked up in a dark, dim prison for about ten years. I know that's not reasonable, but I get tired of a lot of this nonsense. "Racism" is a word now with no real meaning. It has been destroyed by it's reckless usage.Quote:
“You know what I am? I’m a nationalist, OK? I’m a nationalist,” he continued. “Nationalist. Nothing — use that word. Use that word.”
It's right back to politics. I understand that people have differing political views, but when a person votes for the most inept, corrupt person to run for president that I know of, then I just don't think they have occupied the moral high ground and can therefore point fingers. Obama's presidency was riddled with scandal, but you think you somehow have the right to criticize Trump? It's a mystery to me.
When you are dealing with percentages, that has nothing at all to do with it.Quote:
also there are more poor people today.
yes computerization eliminated some jobs opened up many others . That has always been the case with technological advance . AND since the jobs are less physically demanding there is less reason for the disabled to check out of the work force . You want to tell me there should be help in re training I'm all on board . But disability eligibility rules need to be tightened again from the emperor's social engineering tinkering . Why do you think there is an opioid addiction crisis in the country ? 50,000 people die in the US every year from opioid OD .......10,000 more than deaths at the height of the AIDS crisis .Yet it is barely reported . How many of the users are stay at home on government provided permanent disability benefits ? They have not been able to find any meaning to their lives so they check out . The government contributes to their down fall. It is a failed system that needs correction .Quote:
Eligibility criteria and the society is more prone to drug addiction which brings disabling illness such as depression,..........Computerisation may have done away with many jobs disabled might do as it will continue to do away with many repetitive tasks
Your inane 'poor people' comment has been addressed . There was a slight uptick in the US poverty rate after dot com bust and the financial crisis ;but it is almost back down to 2000 levels ,about 11-12 % and being poor in the US is a much better lot than being poor in most of the rest of the world . Much of the poverty rate is tied into issues like single parent raising children .Poverty has fallen sharply among blacks and has risen slightly in the "Hispanic" communities because of immigration both legal and illegal . And of course those people who choose not to work are or become part of the poor.
actually no they are not . you just like to complicate them . As an example . If you are not for open borders then tell us what level of enforcement at the border you find acceptable . I have not heard a single Dem say anything to suggest they want any enforcement and instead a good percentage of the Congressional Dems are running on a platform of eliminating ICE . If you aren't for open borders then why promote sanctuary cities and states ?Quote:
The issues are more nuanced and complex than you seem to present or understand,
Ex is the only libertarian progressive on this board who is honest on this subject . He proudly proclaims he wants open borders . Why don't you ?
What is amazing to me is that Trump offered a compromise ....a border wall for path to citizenship for so called "dreamers " . But your side in their hatred of Trump would not consider it .
Sadly, a hatred of Trump is what is at the core of all democratic policies. It has become completely irrational.
Thank you for that perfect example.
His words, his actions, his behavior, his history! He loves dictators and no American banks will loan him money so where does he get his money after all those bankruptcy's? Russia, Saudi Arabia maybe?
I hope they get that loony sending pipe bombs just to dems.
Oh, and you're welcome.
I'm betting it's a dem. Election year maneuvering.Quote:
I hope they get that loony sending pipe bombs just to dems.
could be . The Republicans have been saying 'Jobs vs Mobs' ;and the Dems hate it . But I'm willing to wait . 1st 3 reports are almost always wrong. So far the press reported that the White House was targeted ....wrong . They reported that il Duce Cuomo was targeted ....wrong.What he received was a letter with a flash drive . I suspect this is a prank either way . Not enough explosive in these to have effect ;but enough the be detected . They were addressed in such a way that anyone who received them would be suspicious . I'm sure the clown(s) that did this left scores of forensic clues and they will be caught in short order . Hey it gives the FBI something to do.
More than half of Americans receive more money in various types of government transfer payments (Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, Social Security) than they pay in federal taxes.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-it-pays-taxes
That is not surprising considering that about half of American wage earners pay nothing in federal income tax, and many actually get money paid to them.Quote:
More than half of Americans receive more money in various types of government transfer payments (Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, Social Security) than they pay in federal taxes.
I can certainly see why repoobs don't want mandatory voting, and concoct all kinds of schemes to suppress voters and turn out.
Just think if voters could VOTE themselves a bail out without there being a recession, or some bureaucrat telling them there ain't no money unless you're already rich. Or some capitalists calling you names.
I would vote for me getting MO'MONEY! I can't afford taxes. Never could...they made me pay them...!
well that of course is the lure . But it is like Whimpy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30knrJBeyr0
Just pass it on to the next generation . That is how ponzi schemes normally work
Hello again:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Well, if we didn't HAVE borders we wouldn't BE American, or Russian, or African. We'd just be people.. Most of the hatred going on in the world is because of BORDERS.. I say let's get rid of 'em. They've outlived their usefulness.
excon
I'll agree with you when you are ready to get rid of your property lines and let anyone in your house who wants to come in. It's the same thing. Property lines, door locks, border, they all serve the same purpose.
Well why not have guards and check points at the city limits why don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
actually most of the hatred is over issues of ideology.
Ok I'll bite, what ideology do the migrants have that you object too? How do you know they have this ideology?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
No, most of the hatred is fear of brown people, fear inspired by our president.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
If the caravan was full of beautiful white women, cute white teen girls, and adorable white female children, there would be no problem. Our president would send hundreds of buses south to pick them up and house them in his hotels in the US.
I did not say there was any hatred in associated with this border issue at all . I was responding to Ex's specific comment that borders are the cause of " MOST of the hatred" in the world . As to the reason to opposing an unauthorized mass migration crossing the US border ,there are many reasons to oppose it that has nothing to do with race or ideology .
Clete you're so compassionate I'm sure you would have no issue with a mass migration to your nation . Maybe like Ex you don't believe in borders. Maybe you are ok with allowing anyone admission into your country .
WG I could care less why Trump oppose the so called 'caravan' . My issues is rule of law . Bum rushing the border is not the correct way to gain access to this country .
Nope. They would be illegal aliens. That's what some of you don't get. Anybody and everybody cannot come into this country. There is a legal process involved. I know it's hard for some of you to believe that those of us who believe in the rule of law actually pay a lot of attention to the law and not very much to race, but it's true. I find that the people who obsess about race are actually the liberals. You attempt to turn everything into a racial issue, as your post illustrates.Quote:
If the caravan was full of beautiful white women, cute white teen girls, and adorable white female children, there would be no problem. Our president would send hundreds of buses south to pick them up and house them in his hotels in the US.
I've seen more people bum rush Walmart's on Black Friday. I bet Walmart's could process those caravan people in no time no problem.
Liberals say process them humanly and quit with the over the top ideological rhetoric. Show us don't tell us. You got the power, so show me something other than the 1.2% in a falling steadily unemployment number.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
this is true . But this is government at work and processing a single asylum seeker takes months . I doubt that most of them qualify for asylum status . You don't want families separated and you don't want children living with adults in detention centers .If they get housed in detention you call it a concentration camp. Do you want them just released in the country to go their own way ;to wander the streets ? Why don't you just admit like Ex that you are for NO border control and are an open border advocate ? Come on admit it !Quote:
I've seen more people bum rush Walmart's on Black Friday. I bet Walmart's could process those caravan people in no time no problem.
My idea of border control differs greatly from yours probably and surely vastly different than the dufus. It may be closer to this idea,
https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/201...-humane-reform
I mean for the costs of a few air craft, or instead of a big beautiful wall, we can get more judges and asylum experts to actually process people through, without separating families and hiding kids. Then a bit of diplomacy instead of badgering we can move forward with a workable humane process and also give help and support to remedy the root cause of the migrant problem.
It's been done before and if the dufus wasn't so hard boiled and belligerent or didn't need an enemy to show how tough he is we could actually deal with this as an event, and not a crisis that scares the bejesus out of folks. It's not like we haven't dealt with it before, maybe not as perfect as some have wanted but way better than Thug Dufus!
Let us just think for a moment Tal, what is the problem, it is a media generated problem, the hordes are invading whether they come from the east or the north or the south it is the same old mantra, but the horde isn't millions, you already have those, it is a few thousand unfortunates. You don't actually want to process their claims while they sit in camps on your border has would be done elsewhere in the world, you want to let them in because after all it is the humane thing to do. The way to deal with this event is to use the money for the aircraft carriers or the wall to actually do some good in the world, put some real aid, not tied aid into those countries, build some industries give them some real law and order and grow a back boneQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
We already have that tool but the dufus is to dumb and incompetent to use it, as I referenced. He would rather threaten to defund this policy than help it work.
https://www.state.gov/j/inl/rls/fs/2017/260869.htm
Like you said though there are only 7,000 people walking this way, we get that many people together for a Friday night high school football game... and they don't sell beer!
The dufus can exaggerate anything into a hyped up crisis in his blowhard fashion. He would rather pick fights with civil allies and helpless unfortunates than tell Vlad Kim, and Saud to screw off.
The fantasy world you live in must be a truly beautiful place. Building industries that give them law and order?? Growing backbones?? Go back to the beginning of our country. The law and order, the industry, the businesses, and the backbone came from the people who lived here. It is always that way. The idea that we can go in with our "Build a Country" kit is an old, tired, and failed idea.Quote:
The way to deal with this event is to use the money for the aircraft carriers or the wall to actually do some good in the world, put some real aid, not tied aid into those countries, build some industries give them some real law and order and grow a back bone.
or in Clete's world you find a remote island to park them .
tal your "solution "does not answer the question .If everyone is eligible to come into the country then in fact you don't believe in border control ;as I suspected .
We more that $ 127 million in aid to Honduras this year;almost $300 million to Guatemala ,almost $100 million to Mexico . Maybe we should do a "regime change " and install someone who gives more than a rat's @ss about the people .
I said process them humanely Tom. Them and everyone else. So we start with humane processors I would think.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I won't argue with that, just point out our past ventures from 'Nam to now. With our own political issues in full disarray, maybe we start at home with that regime thingy.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
What makes you think bum rushing the border will WORK? It WON'T, of course. You needn't worry. The brown people WILL be kept at bay.
In terms of no borders, I'm NOT advocating that we rid ourselves of such things NOW.. I'm simply suggesting that the HISTORY of the world, is RIFE with borders having been torn down.. Sometime down the road, we'll find that we ARE one people, borders notwithstanding.. And, ONE people should have ONE government and ONE home..
And, I don't think ANY of that would cause a person to think that he could come into my home.. I just don't.. It's CIVILIZATION that keeps people from invading my home, NOT property lines..
This conversation reminds me of another one.. Some Christians believe that WITHOUT God, people will rob, rape, murder and cause general mayhem. Do you believe that??
excon
Yeah one of these days we'll live in that Star Trek world you imagine.
No I'm sure that the laws of man keep some people in line . Amazingly most of those laws have religious foundations ;not necessarily Christian . I also see where some laws based interpretation of religion and religious tenet cause people to rape ,murder and cause general mayhem . Some of them don't believe in borders too.Quote:
Some Christians believe that WITHOUT God, people will rob, rape, murder and cause general mayhem. Do you believe that??
Why do I think Bum rushing the border works ? Because we saw it happen here already .In fact under the emperor's reign the rate was somewhere between 300,000 -400,000 illegal entries a year.
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