No more than it means "we WON" before anything has happened. I just think you and ex are being overly optimistic and awfully trusting of some really shady characters. I'm not that naïve, we got got.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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No more than it means "we WON" before anything has happened. I just think you and ex are being overly optimistic and awfully trusting of some really shady characters. I'm not that naïve, we got got.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
So we should walk away and say forget it, or are you mad it wasn't bombs away?
I implied neither. I don't trust Putin or Assad and believe they're the ones that came out on top in this and we look silly.
The forces we are backing as the "good rebels " are uniting with the AQ and jihadist infiltrators as has already been noted . Abd al Aziz Salamah, the leader of Liwa al Tawhid, announced that 11 rebel groups, including AQ's Al Nusrah Front , signed a statement that called for sharia, and urged all groups to unite.
According to Jane's, nearly half of the 100,000 rebel fighters are "now aligned to jihadist or hardline Islamist groups"
Syria: nearly half rebel fighters are jihadists or hardline Islamists, says IHS Jane's report - Telegraph
Free Syrian Army fighters have also been defecting to al Qaeda's affiliates by the thousands.
Hundreds of Syria rebels pledge loyalty to Qaeda groups: activists | Reuters
Are we still arming the rebels ? Yes . There's your victory .
Yeah, we sure aced this one, that there is what you call "smart power.".Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Let 'em laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
They seem to be fighting Assad, which would you prefer? Them or Assad? Let 'em fight each other. It's far from over.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Why do I have to make that choice ? Let the dust settle then maybe we will have to deal with the victor. We have 2 nations we have an interest in in the immediate region ,Israel and Jordan. Neither nation will be better off with a jihadist failed state .
My question is why do you want to help the same jihadists who a year ago was murdering Ambassador Chris Stevens ?
What I don't get is this, Syria has an army in the hundreds of thousands and there are maybe 20,000 rebels. How is it that these rebel forces have not been crushed
There is a rat line of "rebels" infiltrating through Turkey and Lebanon. The Syrian Army had cut off the rebels from their supply line and was in the process of defeating the rebels when there was this chemical attack that conveniently served the rebels interest..
So you are on the side of the rebels used chemical weapons. Point is a strong military force should have been able to win decisive victories but they only control half the countryQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
How do you read in my statement a support for either side? I've made my position clear . You asked why the rebels haven't been crushed and I thought my reply was self explanatory . The rebels have not been defeated because they are supported financially and with infiltration of weapons and fighters.
BTW ,the Syrian army is no where's near as strong as you suppose. They too have had to rely on outside aid ,including Russian weapons ,and Iranian (Qod forces ) and Hezbollah manpower .
No I suppose there is just so much a conscript army can do when their heart isn't in it, but given they have the support of Hezbollah they should have achieved more than they have. Still I see parallels in your own civil war where forces were tied up for years defending the capital and couldn't bring a decisive blow on the enemy. If the leadership is good enough you don't succeed, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Ours was a total war of attrition . The North was not going to win until that reality was understood ,and Northern commanders who recognized that promoted. I think Lincoln understood it all along .His Generals at the beginning ,trained in Napoleonic tactics, did not .
Yes well given Syria's early links with France some of that Nepolanic thinking might remain particularly in the leadership. I don't think Syria is a war of attrition because the guy with the biggest forces always wins that war. I actually think it is a war of stupidity. The government didn't collapse when a few rebels said BOO! As was the case in Eqypt and TunisiaQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I've contended it is similar to the Spanish Civil War. The outcome will be determined by external forces. And ,as you know... the Spanish Civil War was a dress rehearsal .Quote:
. I don't think Syria is a war of attrition because the guy with the biggest forces always wins that war
Tom I have read the Book of Revelation, I just happen to think it doesn't all play out at once and the rivers of blood that flow in the middle east have flowed and will contunue to flow. I waiting for the army of two hundred million to walk across the Euphraties, This isn't a dress rehearsal, it isn't even a rehearsal. What weapons do you think are being tested here? None because they were tested in Iraq. We know the range of Scud missiles, we know how well spent uranium munitions perform, we know laser guided bombs work and now we have the drone, in a fighter aircraftQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I was not making any biblical references .But this is a dress rehearsal none-the-less for the battle for the control of the ummah . There is also unfortunately a variation of the 'Great Game' being played out here.
I don't think the Muslims have the stomach to control the ummah that was centuries ago. Yes they may still be pawns in the Great Game, Russians have long memories, a very long history and the US is after all just the successor to the British Empire
I think you miss the stated goals.. The leaders of these factions all have visions of a renovatio.
I think that's dilusionsQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Yup.. no lack of delusions there .
What's delusional is denying the changes you see before your eyes. There are more to come, not less.
Hello again,
Here's another FAILURE for our inept commie leader... He spoke to the Iranian president. I'm SURE he apologized, aren't you? He should BOMB them, instead, huh?
excon
It's a personal victory for the emperor who is a Nixon wannabee ;and has visions of a détente trip to Tehran... And yes he will bow.
Hello again, tom:Then your side will remember him as the guy who kissed everybody's a$$, and my side will remember him as the guy who saved the world.Quote:
who is a Nixon wannabee ;and has visions of a détente trip to Tehran... And yes he will bow.
What else is new?
Excon
So, you actually trust Russia, Syria and now Iran?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Obama is the Messiah again?Quote:
What else is new?
Hello again, Steve:
You and I talk all the time, but that's got nothing to do with trust. I wouldn't elect you dog catcher..Quote:
So, you actually trust Russia, Syria and now Iran?
But... You're NOT saying, are you, that we need to TRUST a leader before we talk to him??
Look. You HATE this black man in the White House SOOOO much, that you're willing to post stupid crap that I KNOW you don't believe..
Excon
He'll negotiate with Iran but not Republicans?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Sure we can talk. We can tell them they must stop trying to build a nuke, they must stop supporting terrorism, the must give up their goal of annihilating Israel, they must stop arming terrorists, etc. Then we'll talk.
And you're as deluded as Pelosi in why conservatives disapprove of Obama's agenda and performance. I'll borrow from him, he's likeable enough, but he should have stuck community organizing.Quote:
Look. You HATE this black man in the White House SOOOO much, that you're willing to post stupid crap that I KNOW you don't believe..
Funny how you don't mention his being a state senator and being a civil rights attorney among other things.Quote:
he should have stuck community organizing
Hello again, Steve:
Weren't you the guy who posted stuff about Democrats aversion to reality??Quote:
He'll negotiate with Iran but not Republicans?
Here's some reality that you have an aversion to. The ACA is LAW. It a DONE deal. WHO, in their right mind, would negotiate ending it??
Now, if you came up with a plan to FIX it, the nice black man in the White House would, no doubt, NEGOTIATE with you. But, that's NOT what you want to do. You want to do things that just aren't going to happen.
Excon
The state senator best known for voting present, and I'm unaware of his great accomplishments as a civil rights attorney. Perhaps you can tell us all about that glorious career.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I can... he used strong arm tactics to get banks to lower mortgage standards... doing his part to create the real estate bubble that led to the financial collapse in 2008.
Last I heard Republicans wanted to negotiate a 1 year delay in implementation. Instead, he called Iran.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Maybe he should listen to one of his own then.Quote:
Now, if you came up with a plan to FIX it, the nice black man in the White House would, no doubt, NEGOTIATE with you. But, that's NOT what you want to do. You want to do things that just aren't going to happen.
GOP applaud Manchin support of Obamacare delay
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Republicans pounced last week when Mr. Manchin told a crowd at a Bloomberg Government breakfast that there is “no way I could not vote for” a postponement of the health care law, calling the idea “very reasonable and sensible.”
Mr. Manchin later clarified his remarks in a news release, saying that he always opposed the individual mandate, but that he does not support the recent Republican push to link a delay of Obamacare to the drawn out spending debate on Capitol Hill that is pushing the nation to the brink of a government shutdown.
Hello again,
If you represent a conservative district, your positions would, naturally, BE conservative. But, when your district is the United States of America, your positions should reflect THAT electorate.
That's something right wingers don't understand, and never will.
excon
In Illinois, that means "Go back to the drawing board and think about this some more."Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, Steve:Delaying is NOT fixing. It NEEDS a fix - NOT a delay. If you want to PARTICIPATE, I'll listen. If you want to KILL it, I won't.Quote:
Maybe he should listen to one of his own then.
Excon
Obama started with a Democrat House and Senate, the people corrected that. You think it's a mandate for Obama's free reign.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:
Yes, I do. What do YOU call a sweep of both houses and the presidency??Quote:
Obama started with a Democrat House and Senate, the people corrected that. You think it's a mandate for Obama's free reign.
Uhhhh, back to the states... You DO think the states that have a Republican governor and a Republican congress, have a free reign, don't you??
But, let's call a "free reign", by its true name - DEMOCRACY AT WORK!!
Excon
In this case I'd call that a tragedy, but like I said the people corrected that by giving the House to Republicans after 2 years of your sweep. You apparently think that's irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:
I call it DEMOCRACY at WORK. What your right wing STATES are doing is a tragedy. I'll bet YOU call it democracy at work..Quote:
In this case I'd call that a tragedy,
Ain't stuff like that funny?
Excon
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